certainly borders into the VF20 range. I would say a very old water and rag type cleaning that left a lot of that wash type rub out. I am not sure how the TPGs would treat it. If a grader on the "wrong" day were to make a big deal of they way some of the surface is rubbed said grader might mark it VF Details.
Either way the variety is stellar and coin itself is awesome. My 1814 is not nearly as nice in VG8 as well as lacking the die pairing.
My snap reaction was F15, but after a little contemplation (and Heritage facetime) I could possibly go VF20 for it. A nice original example, something I seem to say with great regularity in your postings.
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