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HAS ANY ONE HEAR OF THESE ARE THEY COINS, JETTONS, TOKENS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP



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When William IV died in 1837 Salic law in Hannover prevented his niece, Victoria from becoming ruler there in Hannover so basically the connected of Hannoverian monarchs reigning in Great Britain and in Hannover which had been in place from the accession of George I in 1714 until 1837 were split.

While there was not a lot of protest in Hannover, there was in Britain. There was some agitation for a repeal of the Salic law which prohibited a female from acceding the throne in Hannover. But it was all for naught and another of Victoria's German relatives assumed the throne. However this succession resulted in Hannover being allied on the wrong side of the Prussian and Austrian war of 1866 which resulted in Hannover's ruler being dethroned, and the lands mediatized into Prussian possession.

This piece is a medal, basically in support of Victoria's accession to the Hannoverian monarchy.
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G'day, just a few extra details to what Scottishmoney has written.
George III (d.1820) had a large family. He was succeeded by his son, who became George IV (d.1830). G4 had no legitimate children who survived him, so the throne passed to his brother, who became William IV (d.1837). Likewise, he had no legitimate children who survived him, so the throne would have passed to the next brother, but he had already died. However, the third brother had a surviving daughter, who became Queen Victoria. Because of the particular laws of Hanover, Victoria was disqualified, so the Hanover passed to the 4th brother: the Duke of Cumberland. His familiar name was "Jack". He was sometimes called "Cumberland Jack".
In English usage, another meaning of "Jack" is a gaming token.
When the Duke inheirited Hanover, he couldn't believe his luck: instead of having to live on the modest allowance granted to a dead King's 4th son, he became entitled to a much grander amount. He hastened to occupy his new throne, and to collect his revenues.
So, the token depicted is colloquially known as a "Cumberland Jack", made of brass, and the size of a sovereign. You will note that the reverse is a visual pun on the familiar image of St George slaying a dragon. In this case, the rider is jumping over the dragon, not attempting to engage it in battle.
There are variations:
one has "To Hanover ... and Good Riddance";
another is "Hasten To Hanover";
and there may be others.
These are readily available and not expensive. I think their greatest value is as a piece of tangible early-Victorian political satire.
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Wow nice token with very interesting history to it!
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Wow great info both of you , thank you so much for all of that
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Not bad for $2.00 in a dealers scratch tray or junk tray
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SORRY FOR THE STUPID QUESTION .

So does this make it a german or english medal then
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Made in England. As Peter said, the political message it bears is pro-British: "The Hanoverians may have rejected her, but we'll keep our Queen Vic, thank you very much".

As to your original question, they'd probably count as "jetons". They'd have been sold by the packetful for use as card counters or play money.
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that is a wonderful history to a neat medal, jeton
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The same medal but with an eye for hanging on a chain.

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Nice one chrycopaul. Thank you for sharing
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