1945-D/D Lincoln Cent With Possible "d's" On Date ?

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Collector-Corner Pillar of the Community 872 Posts	Posted 05/07/2014 12:17 am I bought a bunch of BU rolls dated in the early to mid 1940's to 1955 and I am currently going through one of the 1945-D rolls again to pluck out the rather difficult to see RPM's> I have to magnify them pretty close to see them due to the texture of the coin. So, I look at this 1945-D, and it just looked..... weird. The straight on shot caught my eye, but it still didn't look like a clear image of what was going on. I changed the lighting a tad and this is the best shot I could get; I don't view coins from one angle - ever. I quickly turned that date upside down, and seen a bit more of what was going on with this coin. It wasn't until I flipped the coin on a 45 degree angle that I could actually see what was going on. To me, under the scope it looks like a "D" was double tapped onto the tail of the "9" in the date. I can see 2/3rds of an oval circle and two distinct corners of something, possibly the corner of a "D". Since the punch was not resting flat on the field, it probably wasn't able to properly display the "D" on the field. I don't know, it looks pretty promising to me under the scope. Its definitely something. The Easy Way out is to call it a clash and move on. This sort of find is fun, and for the heck of it, I will probably send it to John Wexler once he is all caught up. He may get a kick out of this. When I blow this pic up below, to 300% I see some really weird stuff just under the "9". Almost looks like two "D's" side by side directly under the date. Edited by Collector-Corner 05/07/2014 12:34 am Report this Post to the Staff

Rackster Pillar of the Community United States 4809 Posts	Posted 05/07/2014 07:39 am Hard to see what you're seeing Gary, but having the coin in hand and positioning it to catch light this way and that makes the evaluation more meaningful. From the shots, my mind can place a punch where you hypothesized. But all I see is a nick (or clash). Oddly, the full obverse shot seems to have a ghostly image of a backwards D adjacent to the mintmark (mirrored). Funny how the eyes and mind can play games like that. I suppose those moments are what make the faithful see what they want to see in the French toast, tree bark, or freezer frost. Maybe you do have a new variety in hand. Either way, pretty cool D/D. Report this Post to the Staff
Collector-Corner Pillar of the Community 872 Posts	Posted 05/07/2014 11:42 am One thing that changes lighting is how others have their lighting set when viewing pics. My office setting is typically pretty bright in regards to back lighting, but when I g to other loacations and look at the same pics, the lighting may be a bit dark with the settings on the workstation. What I see below the "9" on the workstation at home is three quarters of a square, with a circular hoe in the middle that was struck twice on the field. I'll look at a obverse/reverse pic and see if a die clash is possible in that area. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 05/07/2014 2:19 pm Looks like a contact mark, die scratch and die flow going on in that area to make you think it is an extra "D". It happens. If it were an extra mint mark punch, it would be raised higher than what you are looking at. It would be way taller than a die scratch if it were an errant punch. Report this Post to the Staff
Collector-Corner Pillar of the Community 872 Posts	Posted 05/07/2014 9:57 pm Some of Wexler's examples are lighter than this one is. This will be one that goes in the 2nd box going to John when he is back in business. Report this Post to the Staff
Rackster Pillar of the Community United States 4809 Posts	Posted 05/08/2014 07:59 am I suppose that the witness marks vary from surface abrasion to obvious gouging. For a novice like me, its hard to make distinctions. The 1960 D I spoke of in another thread under high magnification (I have special equipment here at work) showed a bulge to be old PMD. Then there's the case that too much magnification can lead to new conclusions the other way. So I'll take Coops advice to look and look again when either confirming or refuting an earlier conclusion. Even to the extent of putting it down a while to pick up later. Good stuff - pursue something until you're satisfied and seek input from knowledgeable folks. Modify theory. Report this Post to the Staff
Collector-Corner Pillar of the Community 872 Posts	Posted 05/08/2014 11:40 am @Rackster Its definately something, just not sure what it is. I'll let the expert make the determination when he is available. Its only $4.00 and time, so its no big deal. I have other connections that will eventually look it over as well. Right now it will sit in the same container that will be sent in for attribution. Sometimes a lower power magnification is good, but for clarity, a higher power is needed to see what is going on. On this issue, a lower magnification was worthless. I am a strong believer in staying under 10x magnification if at all possible, since many attributors and TPG's consider anything above 10x "minor". This particular issue isn't about money or claim to fame. I could care less if my name or anyone else's name is attached to a finding. I only consider attributions if they have been clearly accepted by 2-3 separate parties. For this coin, its about learning whats going on here so it can be documented and if it shows up again, easily identified. I have a roll of this coin, and I am going to look for others with the same issue. I put them down last night to catch up on a few other things around the office. Guesses are nice, but show me the proof through analysis, comprehension and understanding. All else is futile. Edited by Collector-Corner 05/08/2014 11:50 am Report this Post to the Staff
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1945-D/D Lincoln Cent With Possible "D's" On Date ?