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2003-P Lincoln Interior Die Break

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I found this 2 nights ago & got credit for discovery. It is listed as IDB-1c-2003-01R on Cuds-on-Coins.

http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-ce...b-1959-2008/

This is the largest "hornet's nest" I've found.

2003-P-Lincoln-Interior-Die-Break

2003-P-Lincoln-Interior-Die-Break

2003-P-Lincoln-Interior-Die-Break
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That is so cool.

Congrats.
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Wow... nice find that is massive.. Kind of looks the the wall jumping frogs we have down here in Florida..have yet to see a interior die break on a LMC in the wild yet
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I have a hard time calling that an interior die break. I'd call it a die chip, but I don't follow the classification rules! Still, a neat find and you're the discoverer so you can put it on your numismatic resume!
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Thanks for the comments ErrorCoins222. I have often wondered where the cut off line between chip & break is. I guess it's subjective. Thanks all for your comments.
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I would say there is a big difference between a die break and a die chip. To me its kind of obvious. Die Chip...the die is chipped...Die break...it is broken. I know it sounds simple but hornets nests are chips. The bay is raised on the die and it is chipped away.
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That's the great thing about coins. Opinions can vary very easily.
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I have literally hundreds (more than likely 500+) of a 1960-D die chip that owns the left corner of the high wall on the memorial building. I think its related to a 1960-D/D RPM, and I need to send it in for attribution. But I was highly surprised to see the hundreds I have tubed. I know I am close to 500 of them since they take up at least one row in the coin tube box.

After reading this, I'll have to send one off to first see if it is indeed related to a RPM, then to see if it has been found and reported by others.

When I look at yours, it almost looks like a upper half bust of a ghostly entity, sort of facing at a 45 degree angle towards the seated Lincoln.

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Die Chip...the die is chipped...Die break...it is broken. I know it sounds simple but hornets nests are chips. The bay is raised on the die and it is chipped away.


Well the distinguishment between the two is actually size. After all, die breaks are just large die chips, right? I know they have some threshold where anything above is considered a die break (4sq mms? - something like that). This is because there is no true way to know whether a piece of the die broke away or flaked away, chipped off, etc.
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After all, die breaks are just large die chips, right?


"Chips" are standalone chunks out of a die. "Breaks" are die cracks which have expanded into loss of die territory. The coin here (I love the term "Hornet's Nest" ) is, to me, a die chip.
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"Chips" are standalone chunks out of a die. "Breaks" are die cracks which have expanded into loss of die territory.


I disagree completely.
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I disagree completely.


Don't collect Morgans, then, or for that matter any Classic issue. That's what these terms mean, there.
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A Cud would be a die break. The Hornets nest is a die chip.

Imagine hitting a rock with a hammer. The small parts that chip away immediately are chips. A crack develops and a part gets broke off is a break.
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We're in agreement on definitions, Jayman931, but I'm seeing something entirely different in those images. The first looks like a large lamination - hollow under the upper part - although I'm quite prepared to be wrong with it. The second (Coop's image) seems clearly a die break - you can see the original crack extending north and south of the break. Die breaks can be sudden - happening at the same moment as the original crack.
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Ok, I give. Here is one of the near 500 of these I have;

2003-P-Lincoln-Interior-Die-Break

Most (90%) have just the upper Big die chip on the highwall.
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Jay!! Awesome! Brother I tell you what thats a thing of beauty and a great find!! Super cool
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