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Overgraded PCGS 1878-CC DMPL Morgan?

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Does NOT look MS65 to me. Closer to 64, or 63. What do you all think?

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 Posted 05/09/2014  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ouch, the scratch mark on the back and lots of nicks makes me wonder how it even graded over MS-62.

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 Posted 05/09/2014  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That mark on the reverse is just so distracting.

"Uncirculated with strong luster, very few contact marks in prime focal areas, excellent eye appeal. Strike is above average."

Lots of marks in prime focal areas, lots of eye appeal, though.
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 Posted 05/09/2014  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The scratch on the reverse is very distracting to me. I'd say it's not 65 but 63~64. Anyways a very appealing coin.
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DMPL coins - especially in photographs - must be evaluated from an entirely different perspective than non-Prooflike examples. The slightest little nicks are magnified by the mirrorlike fields. Things you'd never notice on a non-Prooflike coin become obvious marks on a DMPL. Yet they should be graded by the same standard. For that reason, I'm not ready to call this one misgraded at MS65. I will call the price way over market, though.
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 Posted 05/09/2014  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not one I would buy as an MS-65.
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Seems accurately graded. The deeply mirrored fields greatly exaggerate any imperfections. Look at the devices for a better indication of grade - the cheek is practically mark free.
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 Posted 05/09/2014  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree it's pretty accurately graded. Maybe over by a half point.
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 Posted 05/09/2014  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the information everyone.
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The scuff marks look like they are on the coin, not the slab.
If that is the case, MS60 DMPL looks about right.
I would suggest that it may have seen some circulation.
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 Posted 05/09/2014  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Catbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also think CC's get a little bump gradewise. As others have stated about the DMPL mark exaggerations, the clean devices, and the nice strike, I think the 65 might be fine based upon grading from pics.

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I'm window-shopping 13k coins!
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NOT 65 by any stretch IMO. The chatter on the obverse behind her head, that scratch on the reverse etc etc... 63 and thats all I would go.
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