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Errorcoins Member United States 703 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 11:41 am I need some help with a coin that I posted in the error section and need responses so I will turn this into a riddle. Riddle: This coin has either 2 or 3 different errors depending on if one is an error. All the information is in the thread to figure out which errors they are and the date. https://goccf.com/t/17691 So what is the date and the 3 (or 2) errors? errror Report this Post to the Staff

morganman Valued Member United States 397 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 1:14 pm I went back and studied these photos. From what I see, the coin was struck with no collar, and was flattened so much the sliding copper exposed the aluminum cladding underneath..... The coin appears to be much larger in diameter than a cent, since there is so much material around the edges past the lettering. still studying it.... Question: What is the diameter of the coin? MM Edited by morganman 07/29/2007 1:20 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Errorcoins Member United States 703 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 1:24 pm MM, ballpark guess: 20.5 millimeters thanks for looking into this errror Report this Post to the Staff
morganman Valued Member United States 397 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 1:42 pm And as for being both broadstruck and doublestruck, I think it would be very hard to tell. Once the die has gone to a normal point that it would stop with a collar, the letering is already raised. As it goes further down and starts squeezing metal out from under the lettering exposing the aluminum, I think either way would look the same.... That is, the first strike with a collar, and second without, to me would look the same as a single blow without a collar.....either way, at a point, both ways would start moving metal from underneath. I can say it is NOT a sliding strike, as the metal is all moving outward from the center, not just to one side.... As for the Wide AM, without seeing the front of the coin or KNOWING the date, I have no way to tell about that one..... MM Edited by morganman 07/29/2007 1:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Metalman Pillar of the Community United States 7123 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 1:51 pm added my opinion in the original thread . Metalman Report this Post to the Staff
Errorcoins Member United States 703 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 1:57 pm MM, I have seen hundreds of broadstrikes. Some have to be on center double strikes. how do you tell if they are? There must be a way. Here is a very clear close up. The raised metal indicates to me that this is from the first strike, with the second broadstrike wiping out almost all of the first strike. Image: t2bs.jpg 101.02 KB I know what I think I see. I need to know one way or the other for sure. Or is it impossible to tell for sure? hmmmm. errror Edited by Errorcoins 07/29/2007 1:58 pm Report this Post to the Staff
morganman Valued Member United States 397 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 2:22 pm I see what you are seeing, but that could just be a property of the metal and the point at which it "gave" and slid under the die.... The ONLY thing I would think you MAY could tell on a cent is the edge. To me if there was a collar on the first strike, the edge would have a very smooth and straight side from being against the collar...as where a single broadstrike would maybe leave a kind of rounded edge.... Also, minute tool marks from the collar, when compared to a regular coin struck in the same collar (much like a bullet rifling) would also prove this. But good luck on finding a cent struck on that exact same collar..... But then again, when the blank planchet is punched out, I have no idea how the edge would look before striking....it may already be flat and smooth.... MM Report this Post to the Staff
Amazon99 Pillar of the Community United States 2443 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 3:45 pm Don't know much about errors, so I won't guess that. The date I'm going to say 1999. Very cool coin! Report this Post to the Staff
garylcsr Pillar of the Community United States 1952 Posts	Posted 07/29/2007 10:01 pm it is a 2000 and also has the Wide AM. Gary Report this Post to the Staff
just carl Bedrock of the Community United States 20753 Posts	Posted 07/30/2007 08:11 am Never did know what caused that. I noticed many of the 90's had that above the lettering. I collect error coins and USED to keep lots of those and finally I realized how common that was so started to just put them back into circulation. Probably should contact coppercoins.com to see what he says. Didn't find anything in either of his books on Lincoln's about that effect. However, it appears to be very common in the 90's. Report this Post to the Staff
foundinrolls Pillar of the Community United States 3507 Posts	Posted 08/03/2007 5:27 pm I added a response under the original post. Thanks Report this Post to the Staff
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