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1870 CC Seated Dollar

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There have a been a few Seated dollars posted lately, so I thought I would post this one to request the opinion of forum members.

I bought this Seated dollar, as many of my US coins, in the late 80's, early 90's. Ex B&M where they graded it VF35. The nice thing about it is that it has very nice, partially reflective surfaces, and much remaining luster. What I cannot judge about is the originality of the toning. It is light golden brown.

How would you grade this today? one or two of the words in 'Liberty' on the shield are a bit weak, which is why I think B&M graded it VF35 almost 30 years ago. Would this grade EF today?

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Certainly better than VF35. If it was slabbed as a "market" AU50, there'd be some argument but also some buyers accepting that grade.
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 Posted 05/12/2014  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j-win to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks at least EF to me, possibly AU
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Au50
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EF-45
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Thank you all for your opinions.

This tells me that I tend to grade my own coins too strictly - either that, or am not up to date with current grading standards for US coins.
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I would agree with the original grade of VF35 old cleaning with the halos around the stars.
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XF with an old cleaning.
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in my opinion it is at least XF-40.

The last VF-35 graded 1870-CC dollar sold on Heritage was 3 years ago and it didn't look anywhere near as nice as yours.

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I'm in at XF45.
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Easily EF-40, possibly better.


Another stunner, GERMANICVS!
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XF40 details cleaned. Still a nice piece. I'd be happy!
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Not sure it has been cleaned or not.

XF-45 at least, perhaps borderline AU.
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I have a question with regard to the toning of this coin:

It is fairly light in colour, with only light golden/brown tone around the ages. The surfaces are smooth, lightly reflective and, besides some contact marks, devoid of cleaning lines. But, they are light in color - so, is it safe to assume the coin has at least been dipped?

And if it has been dipped, given that it is NOT harshly cleaned, will the coin grade cleanly, say by PCGS? or will the dipping preclude it being given a clean grade? as you can see I am trying to understand how the grading companies approach this issue. In my visits to coins shows in the US I have seen totally untoned Seated coins in PCGS slabs, so this tells me that dipping is considered OK as long as the surfaces are unmarked.
Is this correct?
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I believe NGC would grade this EF-45 details. I think you are right Germanicvs, lightly cleaned. Very nice coin!
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But, they are light in color - so, is it safe to assume the coin has at least been dipped?


Not necessarily. It's not as difficult as one might think to keep a coin from acquiring patina for a century or more. And the handling involved in circulation tends to help keep the coin "clean." I would be very leery about any further work on the surfaces, though - dipping a circulated coin is a very dicey proposition.
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