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1801 Draped Bust Dollar (Counterfeit)

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 Posted 05/18/2014  09:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ellu25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all!

I came across this coin at a flea market. I believe the chance of it being a fake is quite high, but I would like to know your opinion. If it is a fake, what would its value be? And how can you see if it is a fake?
Thanks in advance!

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 Posted 05/18/2014  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's more than fake
Cast counterfeit from china
Where was the flea market?
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 Posted 05/18/2014  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ellu25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/18/2014  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's fake. But not a very convincing fake.
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 Posted 05/18/2014  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ellu25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. It was only 2 euros and I kind of took it as a learning tool. How can you say it is a fake?
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 Posted 05/18/2014  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gold4Ever to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The details and edges are to sharp for a coin 213 years old IMO..
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Since nobody has said it yet, welcome, Ellu25. The key to spotting fakes is knowing what issues are especially prone to being forged, and what genuine examples look (and weigh and feel) like. Here's good pictures of a real one (this specimen's been sold, so there's no advertising component in referencing it):

http://www.davidlawrence.com/invent...ntory/372864

Seeing this authentic coin, it becomes pretty obvious what a poor forgery the one you picked up is. I wouldn't be surprised if a magnet sticks to it,either. But €2 is nothing to blow on a something such as this, so don't feel badly at all, it'll serve as a good "pocket piece" if nothing else.
Colligo ergo sum
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Thanks! Indeed, for the price, I just decided to go with it and learn about it. I would have been pretty surprised to find an authentic one at this flea market ;) I usually buy European coins only, and from certified sellers. I am pretty new at US coins, so thanks a lot!
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When buying rare and expensive American coins like Bust dollars, don't expect to pick one up for two euros at a flea market. These are heavily counterfeited in China, and they always show up in American flea markets, too.
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Welcome!
The first clue is the heavy rim around the edge of the coin. The genuine coins were struck without a collar, so the denticles extend all the way to the edge, with no rim.
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 Posted 05/18/2014  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chinese counterfeit.
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I heard the best way to check and see if it's fake or not is to look at the little flag like things around the coin. They say if it's a casting and not a punched coin, that between the little flag deals there will be materal in or between them. I'm not sure of anything I say, it just comes out... lolol
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 Posted 05/18/2014  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The best way is to compare the real thing's pictures to the coin in question.
Many of these Chinese counterfeits are waaaaaay off in the details, so a quick look at a genuine example may save two euros next time.
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Your Counterfeit is refered to as the "Lightweight":
http://drapedbustcoins.reidgold.com/page_7.html
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