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Grading "Missing Chrome" Nickels

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I read recently that ICCS will not add this comment to nickels any more. There was no explanation given. Is it because it is really a planchet error, not a variety or is there concern over whether these coins can be faked? If the latter, this could have a major impact on value for these coins.

We have some forum members with considerable metallurgical knowledge and perhaps they could comment. My understanding is that the electroplating process alters the chemical and physical nature of the metal. Would that not be detectable on an altered coin?
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Have you ever just peeled the chrome off a car bumper with your fingers, I have many times and the metal underneath is in perfect condition. For the pro's its easy to electro chemically remove nickel chrome plating and it looks great underneath. Watch this short vid done by a pro, bear in mind he's a gunsmith but I would think a jeweler may be even more precise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INiyYbFUihA
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I believe these coins could be faked. I have no metallurgical knowledge, but I've been experimenting with unplating coins these past few days. You can unplate coins by electrolysis, it doesn't change the chemical and physical nature of the metal.

My result was pretty messy since this was pretty much my first time, my solutions were not prepared too well and possibly contaminated, and my experiment was adjusted for speed not quality.
Here is my result from a 2012 quarter, I'm not sure what the silvery metal under is, the red one is copper, and the grey one on the top is nickel.
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Each metal layer is still the same metal, its properties doesn't get changed.
This was done alternatingly in Nickel acetate and Copper sulphate solution.

I did unplate zinc cents and pennies too, but I gave those away to a friend who's doing electrolysis as her school project. I used copper sulphate solution, and the copper dissolved while the zinc doesn't seem to be disturbed too much, as long as I kept an eye on it and rotated it when needed. Don't leave it in for too long or it might start dissolving the zinc too.

If you have uncontaminated solutions with correct voltage, I'm sure you could unplate the chromium off. Here's a diagram I drew quickly:
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The cathode gets plated with the Chromium ions, which are positively charged and thus attracted to the negative electrode. The chrome plating on the coin dissolves to replace the ions in the solution. If done properly I'm certain it is possible only to remove the chrome off the coin and not have a visible effect on the metal under it.

That came out longer than I thought...
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SlurExe97..Did you watch the vid in the link? He uses a sulfuric acid mixture a lead cathode and a 12 volt battery and its done in seconds. You tube has lots of vid's about plating and removing plating, I've now watched about 20 so far and bookmarked a few of the better ones. Proper chrome plating can be quite technical but removing it is much easier. When plating I learned that preparation is everything. Try to do what the pro's do and I know you'll get there.
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I watched the video. I'm borrowing stuff from the school chemistry lab and they don't allow me to use acids (except for vinegar, which makes the reaction take forever). The one above is based on my experience of using aqueous metal salts which is faster than using vinegar. I use anything conductive for the cathode. I've used pennies, pencil leads, a nickel, quarters, copper foil, an alumimium coin, and one end of a crocodile clip.
I can only work for about 45 minutes every day because that is the time I have after lunch when the teacher is also at break and there is no class in the lab. The problem is I can't have to prepare new solutions every day since I don't have enough time. I'll definitely prepare new solutions when I have more time.

I tried chrome plating a penny once, it came out black not blue. Must have did something wrong. Don't exactly remember what I did though.
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