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Edward The Confessor Penny

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 Posted 05/29/2014  05:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on this coin which I have catalogued as an Edward the Confessor penny.

It was an impulse buy many years ago, and totally outside my area of expertise. It seems to be of the Pointed Helmet type.
The obverse legend is a bit mushy/soft, and the portrait appears slightly 'cartoonish', but not too far from others I have seen.

Is it possible to determine where it was minted? the moneyer's name?

Any comments are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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 Posted 05/29/2014  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Short answer, yes, your coin can be identified.

Unfortunately I'm not experienced with reading the script so can't quite make out either the moneyer or the mint town!

I'll ask around.
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 Posted 05/29/2014  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My friend suggests Canterbury mint. Moneyer is likely to be Aelfred.

Moneyer's name starts with the cross (which is to the right in your photo of the reverse. If you rotate it 90 degrees left it reads from 1 o'clock) +EFRED ON CENTCE:

Spink number S.1179 I believe.
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 Posted 05/30/2014  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tom, thank you very much for the information. It is much appreciated.

I had pretty much given up trying to identify the coin via comparison with similar examples on mcsearch.
(mcsearch does not yield any results for Edwards pointed helmet type for Canterbury)
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 Posted 05/30/2014  04:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not saying yours is counterfeit but the portrait seems very crude to me, I've only seen one as bad as that at auction and the bids were way below the reserve so I think others were worried about it.

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 Posted 05/30/2014  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pertinax, thanks - all opinions are welcome.
Yes, the portrait does seem a little crude (in fact it looks a little like he is smoking a cigar), and that led me to doubt as well. It does seem to have some hits across the face, and that distorts the appearance somewhat.

Also, I am not able to find sales records (in mcsearch) for Pointed Helmet for Edward minted at Canterbury, so that seems a little odd.
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The guy who ID'd it for Tom goodheart was Clive Knipe of Historic Coinage.When he isn't in Scandinavia researching Saxon/Viking coins he will be at the Fitzwilliam,attending auctions or running his business.
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Germanicvs,
I had wondered whether it was an Hiberno-Norse or a French imitation of an Edward the Confessor Penny.

For Canterbury pennies see http://www.mcsearch.info/search.htm...=&c=&a=&l=#0
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 Posted 05/30/2014  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd like to thank all of you - Tom, Pertinax, Peter for your comments.
Tom specially for consulting with C. Knipe.

Now I know how to read the legend (cross on reverse should be at top).
I can now clearly read CENTCE; the EFRED part takes a little effort (and imagination).
The coin weighs 1,39 g - this would seem to be in-range for Saxon pennies?


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