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Pricing Anomolies?

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Two Walkers, have the following population counts for MS66 PCGS graded coins:

A 448 at MS66 with 48 graded higher
B 508 at MS66 with 53 graded higher

which one lists at 1850 and which at 1175?

I know that demand etc. also comes into play but you would think logically they would be pretty close in value, NO? Or the one with lower pop would be higher - at least!

I also wonder how they list prices when the population is 0 for that grade. If there aren't any, and they claim their pricing is only for coins in their holders, then how can they even set a proposed value? Kinda strange!
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I've seen that sort of thing with Buffalo nickels. I think 2 factors come into play:

1- Sometimes one or two examples are resubmitted many times because the owner believes the coin grades higher than the stated grade. This happens especially when the higher grade is MUCH more valuable than the next grade down. Unless someone notifies PCGS or NGC that they have cracked open the case and resubmitted, the POP numbers are wrong and potentially overstated.

2- Coupled with this, the reality is that dealers and collectors know, with experience, which specific coins are harder to find than others. So they know intuitively that the scarcer coin will cost more. A great example of this is the 1931-S Buffalo nickel. The mintage for this coin was only 1,200,000, the second lowest in the series. But the 1931-S was heavily hoarded so that today an MS64 example is only about $150 or so. They are easy to find. The next lowest mintage in the Buffalo series is the 1913-S Type II with a mintage of 1,209,000. So technically, there are fewer examples of the 1931-S, but an MS64 of the 1913-S is worth about $1,800. Collectors of Buffaloes quickly learn how common the 1931-S is and how rare the 1913-S Type II is as they look for suitable examples of each.

So supply and demand decides the price- though I don't know exactly why the example you've given seems askew. My guess would be the higher-priced coin is in higher demand and thus harder to find.
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What are the dates?
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A= 1942-S which lists 1175
B= 1941-S which lists 1850(down from 1950) and updated pop shows 508 MS66's now and 53 higher.

I guess the "multiple crackouts" could boost the population numbers of a coin to some degree but I'm not sure it would skew it that much. Plus NGC populations has them in similar proportions. I did read in a book on Walkers that the author thought the 41-S is very overpriced relative to its rarity, the author suggested skipping that date/mm if possible as a result - so this anomoly dates back years.
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If I recall correctly 1940 and 1941 "S" Mint coins were notoriously poorly struck.
They would tend to have a higher value in the MS grades.
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Coins that have prices listed for grades not available or known (at least on legitimate sites like PCGS or Greysheet (Coin Dealer Newsletter) are usually due to a bid offer on that coin if it comes available.
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