1894A German New Guinea 2 Mark Counterfeit/Fake Or What?

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bungle Valued Member Japan 349 Posts	Posted 06/11/2014 12:33 pm Hi... I have this coin, that looks pretty much like these two that sold on ebay recently: http://www.ebay.com/itm/GERMAN-NEW-...047675.l2557 http://www.ebay.com/itm/GERMAN-NEW-...047675.l2557 For reference: http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21763.html On this one: 1. The hyphen in NEU-GUINEA is thicker and placed higher up. 2. Details of the wreath are different. For example, the leaves do not cross under GU in GUINEA. The weight and diameter are OK, and it is made of silver as far as I can tell, but...is it a fake? Report this Post to the Staff

Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 06/12/2014 12:44 am Honestly, I don't like any of these three. Not yours and not the two you linked. It is well known that relatively high quality, full weight silver fakes of these coins have been on the market for the past few years. One marker of the fakes is around the rims, where you have a mix of irregular beads and dentils. Genuine coins are much sharper in this regard and also have beads that are consistent in size and shape, no dentils. This is the quickest way to tell, but the wreath and lettering are also a bit mushy. Again, the genuine coins were struck to a high standard of quality and these three are somewhat on the crude side. Edited by Numismat 06/12/2014 12:46 am Report this Post to the Staff
wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 06/15/2014 02:08 am Quote: Genuine coins are much sharper in this regard and also have beads that are consistent in size and shape, no dentils. Berlin was one of the leading mints in the world in that era, it couldn't produce such bad rim coins as shown in the examples above. So, I don't think they are genuine. I show my coin for comparison that I think it is genuine. It is 11.11 grams and 27.9 in diameter. Report this Post to the Staff
Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 06/15/2014 9:43 pm Yes Wong, your coin looks just fine. :) Report this Post to the Staff
bungle Valued Member Japan 349 Posts	Posted 09/18/2014 11:46 am Very late but thanks to you all! I like that coin of yours with the cameo effect. Report this Post to the Staff
Lucky Cuss Pillar of the Community United States 4883 Posts	Posted 09/19/2014 01:06 am I would just comment that the genuine article is aestheticlly very pleasing, and I thank wonghinghi for sharing his example with us all. I'd also ask where the modern forgeries are being made, if that's known. Colligo ergo sum Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 09/19/2014 01:17 am Based on what I know - the poor copies have originated in China or Hong Kong. That is where most originated when ebay stopped these auctions. ebay is a different place than it was only a few months ago. I find the posting of blatant fakes very upsetting because at the same time ebay stops other clearly labeled counterfeit coins (the valuable kind from selling). Talk about the worst of both worlds. Buying on ebay is now VERY unsafe and unless you know what you are doing it is going to bite you in the pocketbook. Everyday I am being outbid for counterfeits by people who MUST believe they are buying the real things because the prices are foolish. Report this Post to the Staff
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1894A German New Guinea 2 Mark Fake Or What?