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Zincoln Cents Deterioration

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Maybe this is not a new post but I will bring it up.

I have seen so many more of the newer cents that are in conditions that s/b melted down and recycled.

I like coin collecting but these new cents 1982 and newer, are bad after laying in the dirt or where ever they were lost.

Its like they disintegrate if lost, not like wheaties and indians.
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Once the bond with the copper (which protects the zinc) becomes compromised, it's only a matter of time before the Zincoln becomes ugly and vanishes.
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I dig these all of the time when metal detecting. It doesn't take long until they are toast. Many of these won't be around in a few decades.
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They remind me of when I change zincs on a boat thats been in the salt water.
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Precisely: sacrificial metal. Obviously not the best substrate.
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I find it interesting that the ratio of copper to zinc is steady in circulation even as people are pulling out copper and the mint adds 8 billion zincs per year.

It seems cent use is crashing and velocity must be getting close to zero. But then this means all the zincs should be recent date and this isn't really true. Maybe a proper study is indicated.
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I've been tracking my copper rates for the past few months and to your point, steady. But I've truly not done any math (merely and enumerative study on my part), but a broader analytical study might offer some insight. David's study on nickel obsolescence applied to cents and over a couple of years would provide better analytical data than my box every two weeks for the past few months.

Things are moving for sure, but in which direction? With copper hoarding and rotting Zincolns, one would have to assume a shrinking percentage of copper coins.
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I guess I better save some nice 82 and newer cents, they will be rare after a few yrs of aging. I have found alot of the modern coinage that does hold up that well. The clad does best

I bought some gold $`s from the bank at face and several looked bad. The dates and motto on the edge are worn? or weak strike or gone or never was there. I think that they should have left them where they have been previously, with reeded edge. I needed to have a glass to tell the dates and m/m. Someones great idea. SBA and Ike do well but the gold issues are already coroded or discolored hwere they wouldnt look good in any collection.
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Hi Gary - that's what I'm doing with the 82 and later zincolns. Finding a few BU or well/evenly toned coins without breaks in the copper plate and setting them aside. HOPEFULLY, it's not for naught.
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Things are moving for sure, but in which direction? With copper hoarding and rotting Zincolns, one would have to assume a shrinking percentage of copper coins.


yes , another interesting thing to know would be : are the observations of high % of copper pennies region specific ?
A few months back someone here posted here saying in their area they weren't seeing many copper pennies somewere around the south west......
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Things are moving for sure, but in which direction? With copper hoarding and rotting Zincolns, one would have to assume a shrinking percentage of copper coins.

One possibility if the rate is staying steady would be that slowly old hoarded cents (Mostly copper) keep trickling back into circulation while the older zincs are corroding away. Date distribution over time would identify that. The ratio of copper dates would be fairly steady while over time the older zinc dates would keep declining.


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I think that they should have left them where they have been previously, with reeded edge.

The "golden" dollars never had reeded edges. Before the lettered edge they had plain edges. The only small dollar with a reeded edge was the SBA.
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Conder - to your point, I picked up $30 copper dump (teller said the total dump was close to $100). I held copper for a bit while I tried to look for varieties, but little-by-little, I returned the copper back into circulation.
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Food for thought: I saw an old add for Geo Wash Gold $$ w/o edge lettering at premium prices. So I bought several rolls when they were new to banks. Then price went down. So I never opened the rest.

Then this week I find several different one in a pile of 26 from my bank,that have weak or mostly missing edge lettering, You think the reeded edge would be easier then lettered. And put the date and mint mark and logo at normal locations.

Im not trying to hijack my own thread, but newer coinage is the ? of discussion along with poor quality of Zincolns and Gold? dollars.

Conder, I was refering to the older moderns with reeded edge, sorry.

I wonder how long You would have to save the 1982 and newer cents to realize an increase the value. Probably quite a while. I have a Costco animal cookie jar close to full of 82 and newer cents. Also a jar of 59-82 older LMC`s. I thinking of my bank as they have a counter. for free. My eyes arnt good enough to look for errors
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Hi Gary - it's good to have a helper around to confirm varieties. My son and daughter will occasionally oblige. Otherwise, I use a magnifying lamp to roughly identify a variety and then confirm it with a jeweler's loop.

Zincolns have many interesting (and sometimes valuable)varieties. This is where it gets challenging: finding one in great shape and likely to withstand the 'elements'.

DaytR - I recall something of that. Copper/Zincoln ratios are relatively steady, but I've gotten a case of significantly higher Coppers (44%) and another in the low 20%s. But on average, around 15 Coppers per roll. When %s are higher, better LWC action. Lower, better Zincoln Varieties hunting. So I'm generally pleased either way.

Sadly, Zincolns from car cup holders are nasty little beasts!! Wont clean up and make some decision making difficult. Do you keep a variety with soda damage? Or toss it back to the wild to disintegrate? Really cruddy ones get passed over without a look. Marginal coins though - usually get a second glance. But is a 'marginal' save worth the squeeze or will it disappear anyway? I try to imagine what a Zincoln will look like after another 30-40 years. An 80 year old Copper vs an 80 year old Zincoln. What a picture!
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Just think... This is one of the compositions the mint is considering for the nickel.
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If it is determined that a large amount of Zincolns are disintegrating, wouldn't make sense to change the composition back to copper since it lasts a great deal longer and less would need to be minted? This is outside the argument of a cent costing more than a cent to make ect.
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