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Indian Head Cents: How Much Verdigris Is Too Much?

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 Posted 06/16/2014  5:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm giving serious consideration to a coin that has a small amount of Verdigris spots on the reverse. I've uploaded a complete shot, plus some specific sections to show where the Verdigris marks are.

Curious to hear opinions about whether this amount of Verdigris on an IHC is: A) Quite acceptable and no effect on value; B) You'd be concerned about the coin in the future; or C) Any Verdigris is too much.


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 Posted 06/16/2014  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I hate the stuff, I quarantine all coins with this disease. (from my hoard). Personally I would not buy a coin with it, because I know what is happening to the metal underneath.
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This amount does not really bother me too much. You find it all the time in slabbed coins, often much worse than this. That being said, I would still give it an acetone bath and maybe toothpick treatment in the problem areas.
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Verdigris is a chemical reaction.
It will continue unless you change the conditions around the coin.
And acetone won't help much removing verdigris.
Get that removing stuff (verd-i-care?)
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 Posted 06/16/2014  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Avoid the verdi.
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 Posted 06/16/2014  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Avoid the verdi.


Why ?

Nothing wrong with verdicare, it was developed by one of our CCF members and it works.
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 Posted 06/16/2014  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh that's very minor. I would use my VC and not give it a second thought.
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I wouldn't buy a green coin.
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my answer depends on the year of this coin, is it a more rare coin with few high grade examples? or is this a 1907 that is half the price because of the verdigris?
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 Posted 06/18/2014  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That little bit is nothing. Hit it with VC and there ya go.

peter, were you saying avoid verdigris, or avoid verdi care? Not really clear there.
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I used that VerdiCare stuff on over 30 Indian heads so far with a toothpick and it works pretty good ones with worse then this.
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I developed a new copper coin cleaner in the lab that is 10X better than the original Coin Care or Vedi-Care. Contact me privately if interested - it has worked pretty well on green oxidation build-up areas assuming its just on the surface and not to deep into the coin's surface. It will not change to copper coin's surface color. Acetone dries out a coin's surface leaving it White, Xylol is good put not as good as side by side testing with JPL Coin Care. Its $30 for a 2 oz. bottle. This includes P&H. After 60 customers - no negative reports. The only patina change is when you remove 200 year old soil the coin will have cleaner look but no metal change occurs in terms of color and appearance.

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I developed a new copper coin cleaner in the lab that is 10X better than the original Coin Care or Vedi-Care. Contact me privately if interested.


Can you post some results ? What do you call your coin cleaner ?
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 Posted 06/20/2014  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Acetone dries out a coin's surface leaving it White,


No, no it does not. Pure acetone evaporates and leaves NO residue at all. Nor does it alter the composition of the metal. Not exactly sure how drying the surface of the coin would have any effect beyond removing moisture.
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 Posted 06/23/2014  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I called my product JPL Coin Care. It was developed by myself - I sell it privately - most experienced copper collectors will tell you acetone dries out a coin's surface and at times leaves a mild white film which is why xylol is more of the GO TO material. After my Originial COIN CARE was expired I developed this product. I have mostly been selling it to experienced collectors of the C4/EAC organization.
I agree with the statement - "Nothing can really clean copper effectively." Until my product came out <BG>.
I am Chemist and have developed industrial cleaners ... there are other factors but these are private ... contact me privately. After 55 sales no one has requested there money back yet ... <BG>.

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