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Recent pickup. Always liked this variety. Miller 4.1-F.4 Fairly decent planchet, minor corrosion.   swcoin.ecrater.com
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Very nice! I like it a lot. Popular variety. Typical dark planchet and the corrosion is minor imo. What does this one weigh?
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Very appealing specimen, despite the surface issues. The facial character enhances the popularity of this variety. I'm surprised that the PC police haven't yet petitioned to have this variety renamed. Looks like an original "hot lips" to me.
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What does this one weigh? Good question Vinnie. I'll weigh it when I get home from work. Yeah, I'm sure it was named years ago ExoGuy. swcoin.ecrater.com
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ExoGuy, I'll search some 19th century numismatic catalogues. I'm willing to bet that "African" is a later euphemism replacing a certain adjective likely used by collectors in bygone days...
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Interesting p.
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From the "Great Mickley Sale" in New York, November 1867. Still don't think this is the exact language used on the auction floor.  |
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62 cents!
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Large cents were still circulating not long before 1867. I'm sure the average non-coin-collector looked at this for what it was: a 6200% markup!
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06/16/2014 11:26 pm
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Astute info you found there, Philly. Looks like the PC police did address this variety. Still, I prefer "hot lips." "Gorgeous George" works for me, too.
Since the 62 cents were all dated prior to 1868, those coins could now be worth more than the 1785, huh? The mind reels ...
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So what is the CCF consensus on this marriage. Abel Buell was drunk, An intern, or contemp. counterfeit?
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06/17/2014 4:26 pm
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Well, they say the letter punches aren't Buell's, but for me, you've got to compare the common Miller 4.1 African Head with the vanishingly rare 4.2, paired with a different reverse die: http://coins.ha.com/itm/colonials/1.../1145-3179.sThe bust and lady on these two distinct dies don't appear to be hand-cut creations, or retoolings of a single die. Was anyone in North America, other than Buell, using hub technology to reproduce large design elements on multiple dies? |
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I do not think anyone, anywhere was using Buells technology.....
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Never read this any where. But, is there any chance these came from Birmingham a la Boulton or such? Purely postulation here.....
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I don't think hub technology was being used for these.
Having said that, Buells innovations were at the time, ahead of there time.
As for these coming from Birmingham, I personally don't subscribe to that.
No evidence exists (yet) suggesting this.
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I don't think hub technology was being used for these. We do not really know when Buell first used the hubbing tech. Breen would have you believe as early as 1785 BUT, we all know how Walter liked to embellish his "facts"..... Quote:
As for these coming from Birmingham, I personally don't subscribe to that. Not sure I do either....Just throwing stuff against the fan..... |
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Great coin Vermontensium!!
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