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Proof 2003 Silver Eagle With No W?

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 Posted 06/28/2014  02:02 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Copper Penny Connection to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I came across this coin today. It was a clear stand out among my other coins. It APPEARS to be a proof silver eagle from 2003. However a few things dont make sense.
1. 2003 proof were all struck with a W for West point this year.
2. Not just the field, but lady liberty appears to have the "proof planchet" look as well, while not quite as strong as the mirror fields.

My first impression, I thought maybe It was polished although didn't have the stand out polish look. Under a loupe It looks very clearly like any other proof American eagles.

While hair line scratches are evident, I'm guessing someone took a cloth to it, as well as it was put in a rough flip and hanging out with other coins.

I don't remember where I got it.

i pictured it next to your standard bullion Eagle.

Whats your opinion?

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 Posted 06/28/2014  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like someone polished it with a jewelry cloth or a silver polish.
If you look up pictures of Proof ASEs, you will notice that they were frosted proofs with DCAM from the beginning. No brilliant proof ASEs were made.
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 Posted 06/28/2014  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Copper Penny Connection to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your post.
I know that most if not all the ASE proofs I have seen are dcam in nature, How ever under a loupe, comparing every proof ASE I have to this coin, (which is a good handful), I was unable to see a difference in the field. Do you think a jewelry cloth or even silver cleaner can make the extreme matte look of a bullion eagle turn the fields into that of a proof ASE? I have seen a polished coins countless times, this looks proof. I will put it under my stereo microscope when I get into the shop tomorrow. I do believe it was wiped with a cloth but I don't think a cloth can transform fields.
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 Posted 06/28/2014  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASEnut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree I did it with one of my ASE coins polished it after toning it, came out like a proof, I use it now for my experiments..... wooohahaha
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 Posted 06/28/2014  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Copper Penny Connection to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Then what is stopping doctors from putting silver cleaner into a fine pen, And making all their ASE's boxless proofs? Better yet buying empty boxes on ebay? Even without the proper mintmark, I bet people would get away with it all day in a proper box.
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 Posted 06/28/2014  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matteproof to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I bet people would get away with it all day in a proper box.

Only those who don't know what a proof ASE looks like. All proof ASEs are made with a frosted, DCAM proof finish.

Yes, jewelry cloth/ silver cleaner/ polish can change a coin's surfaces quite drastically. See how it changed the "Matte," cartwheel-luster looks of the devices?
The coin was polished/ cleaned in some way that affected the whole coin's surfaces IMO.
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Also notice the field of the flag around the stars. they use a fine crosshatch pattern to indicate the blue of the field. In the area above her elbow (highest relief area of the flag field) the crosshatching has been polished away leaving a smooth field around the stars.
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 Posted 06/29/2014  03:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Copper Penny Connection to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey guys,
I appreciate all the input. After putting her under the stereo today, it was quite noticeably polished.
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