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 Posted 06/28/2014  5:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like to apologize to Fred Bart for falsely accusing his 1943 copper cent as a fake. If you want to see his listing here is the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1943-COPPER...em1c414fa482

I am sorry for the trouble that I caused you and coin community as a whole. I feel like a jerk now.
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 Posted 06/28/2014  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why don't you report it yourself ?

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 Posted 06/28/2014  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This seems like an unusual thing to do for a seller with nearly 100% positive feedback. You sure they're illegitimate?
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 Posted 06/28/2014  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should really have some hard evidence before you start flinging around accusations like monkey poo The seller is well-known currency dealer and author Fred Bart. The 1943 copper was most recently sold in a Heritage auction in Nov 2013 for $88,125 and the steel 1944 sold in another Heritage auction in April 2012 for $10,637. No fake coins, no fake slabs, no stolen images- just a seller fishing for an offer on two genuine high end errors.
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 Posted 06/28/2014  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup yup, there they are.
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 Posted 06/28/2014  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dunno if the Bay would be my place of choice to sell a few hundred-thousand dollar coins...
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 Posted 06/28/2014  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
People going off half-cocked like this may have played a role in ebay's recent evisceration of the CCW. I wonder what percentage of their workload was uninformed reporters who didn't bother with due diligence first, turning CCW into an unproductive money sink.
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 Posted 06/28/2014  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both coins are real. What's your problem with the listings?
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 Posted 06/29/2014  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh I'm sorry! I just thought it was wierd that when I looked the certification number on the copper it didn't show up. Sorry if I made a mistake.
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 Posted 06/29/2014  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CoinCollector2000, we all have been in that chair before. Do not be too hard on yourself because your motives were in the best interest of the hobby. I would have thought the same thing as well since the certification number does not come up.
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 Posted 06/29/2014  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Oh I'm sorry! I just thought it was wierd that when I looked the certification number on the copper it didn't show up. Sorry if I made a mistake.


So you stubbed your toe. You ain't the first, and I've got my fair share of bruises.

Teaching moment. Here's what you do when you have a suspect coin on ebay or a similar venue:

1) Research the seller. What's their Feedback look like? What are they/have they been selling? Is that $25k coin typical, or atypical for them? What's their bio page say? Can you relate them to a Web presence, or B&M, elsewhere? How long have they been doing this?

2) Research the coin. Look up the cert, noting (as CoinCollector2000 just learned) that the Cert Lookup is not always 100% accurate. Absolutely hit Heritage Auctions' archives to see if you can find a previous sale for that coin. Any CCF member who isn't also registered at Heritage is missing out. Look for that raw coin you're looking at to appear in a Heritage previous sale in a Details slab.

3) Stop. Think. Consider what is wheat, and what is chaff. That is the key to online research, because you can find anyone saying anything anywhere on the Internet if you look hard enough.

If you can look in the mirror and say, "Yeah, I've done my due diligence and I still think this one's queer," then post it here. As a suspicion, not a certainty. Ask opinions. Yes, there are some who post these coins here as done deals. People like g048406, who is vastly experienced and a past master at identifying these deceptive listings.

Chances are, you're not vastly experienced. Be cautious, conservative, and considerate. Phrase it as a question, not an answer, but do it. With ebay having abandoned us to the wolves, we need to reach a whole new level of vigilance. Everyone with a moment to spare needs to be on the lookout for scams like this might have been, and unafraid to shine the harsh light of day on them so we can help prevent buyers (at least our brothers ans sisters at CCF) from being taken advantage of.

Don't be afraid to act. Just be smart when you do.
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 Posted 06/29/2014  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anybody can make a mistake, but to admit your mistake and post it public along with an apology is a true testament to your character!
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 Posted 06/29/2014  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, he scored more points than he lost with his handling of the situation.
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dave700=======================


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Anybody can make a mistake, but to admit your mistake and post it public along with an apology is a true testament to your character!





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 Posted 06/29/2014  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Derek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is this CCW I keep hearing about ebay doing away with? People have been saying ebay is making it easier for people to get away with fake coin listings, but I don't understand these acronyms they are using to describe it.
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 Posted 06/29/2014  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks SsuperDdave! I feel better-ish now.
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