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Got my mitts on this 1883-O. Stumped (per usual, not a difficult thing to do -- stump me)... here's the thing(s): There is no double ear, eyelid, no doubling anywhere in fact. No clashes, nothing that stands out except these small patches of pitting on the obverse. It's more concentrated around the second right star (facing coin). It does get much lighter as it moves up toward the M. Then stops. And I mean very light after the small clusters around the second star. Then, on the reverse between the eagle's neck and wing on the right (facing the coin) there is a patch of die scratches which have pitting on top of and around the scratches. The mint mark is tilted, but I can't seem to see any tilted 83-Os with pitting. When typing the criteria all that seems to come up is the VAM 58, which this is not. Nothing else seems to be jumping out at me here? Please forgive my generally awful photography and poor uploading skills. Any suggestions/help would be sincerely appreciated. Cheers.       Edited by cdnmace
07/03/2014 12:28 pm
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I thought for sure that mint mark would nail it. Not the case, I came up empty.
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Absolutely, Dave. 9 times out of ten the MM can make it a slam dunk. I've put a lot more time into this one, and I'm still stumped. I cannot see any other markers, at all. Die breaks, doubling, die scratches, nothing.  |
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My best guess is VAM 56. 1883-O are tough sometimes unless you have some really clear pictures. These you posted are a little bit to small to attribute with. The spots by the stars look like toning issues and PMD. The pitting you mention is probably too light to be listed and more than likely is rather just die abrasion/polishing. It can be used as a die marker but, it is also found on many dies from different years and mint marks in that same location. The mm photo is not in focus clear enough to tell if that is just damage inside the O, which I suspect it might be, because of the dings on the mm itself. Focus on the date and try to find some doubling and then see if that mm has doubling inside or if it is just damage. I hope this helps. |
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Also the position of the date digits. Some of the VAMs have them listed with one 8 higher than the other or the 18 close together, etc..
Good Luck!
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07/04/2014 3:41 pm
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If there is doubling inside the mm then VAM 10 might be a match. |
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Thank 7TF... like I said though, I'm not a photographer; that's why I tried to use as detailed written description with the photos I could take. As apposed to some who [Blurry photo/no photo] "What's this?" lol I sincerely appreciate the direction to the 56, but like I said above, there is no doubling on this piece, anywhere. None visible under a 10x, 16x or my 45x. Still a mystery. There is one nick that's PMD by the pitting, but the rest is pitting. The only notable feature I can find. And the only toning on the obverse is on the upper NE rim. You are 100% right, these 83-O's are tricky. Thanks again!  Edited by cdnmace
07/04/2014 3:52 pm
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Could you get a shot of LIBERTY?
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Twodsonegf, just an fyi since you're new... We don't like bringing threads back from the dead here on ccf. Chances are the op got the answer or doesn't even have the coin anymore. If a thread is more than a month or two old please don't "necro" it unless it is vital information to the thread that should be added  |
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Thanks, well I guess it's too late now! I will try to keep that in mind, but I enjoy reading the old threads as a way to learn.
I just thought I'd try to help since the thread hit a dead end and our friend never received a proper attribution or further direction. That and I recognize that MM... will have to pull my coins in case this fella sees this and decides to post again.
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Please excuse me if my way of thinking is not quite rational, but based on the idea that any thread that is a couple months old should not get any more replies, does that not mean that half of the threads on the main list are no longer useful? And thus, kicking one from June 2015 off the edge to further another thread that was never quite "satisfied" seems like an appropriate action given the staleness in this " VAM" section. Please correct me if I am wrong still... In any regard, I will still keep the idea of "resurrecting" month or two old threads in my mind when looking at more active group topics and not kick off a somewhat more recent thread from the main list. Just seems this VAM section does not get as much action as it deserves ;) Thanks again for the friendly reminder. |
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@twodsonegf....this thread is from July 2014
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I realize that, thank you. Is there a way to contact the author of this thread so that I don't have to be an inconvenience to everyone else on this message board by bringing an ancient thread back to the top of the message board? It would be great if that was a possibility, because then I wouldn't have to worry about bumping another really old thread off the bottom of the board. All I can do is recommend vetting VAM vatieties through VAMworld. There are an immense number of VAM experts and a message system (if CC does not have one). I come here to learn more and hopefully use a little of my knowledge to help others.. |
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The OP has been awol since 4/12/15 and does not receive e-mails so any resolution may be moot at this point to the OP. If you have a VAM match for this Morgan please post it up. I'm always interested and appreciate your enthusiasm. |
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Well I've been studying the 1883-O varieties, and I believe this is one may be one we call Q4 currently, as it does not appear to match any of the current listings. I will pull the coin tomorrow and hopefully get comparison photos up before long.
Thanks for the help and interest!
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I share your interest in 1883-O.
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