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The Maximilian Silver Peso

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At the urging of the French, who were meddling in Mexican affairs during the American Civil War, Ferdinand Maximilian Joseph of the Austrian House of Habsburg-Lorraine allowed himself to be crowned Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico in 1864. Despite unexpectedly backing liberal reforms that favored peons at the expense of wealthy landowners, Maximilian never won over the unsuppressed republican opposition who objected in principle to the reestablishment of a monarchy, and following the departure of the French troops that had been supporting his rule, he was taken prisoner and executed in 1867.

Silver pesos bearing Maximilian's likeness were struck at Mexico City, Guanajuato, and San Luis Potosi in 1866, with production at some of the other branch mints during this year consisting of the standard 8 reales "cap and rays" type (albeit evidently just in very limited quantities). For 1867, the Maximilian peso was coined at Mexico City only.

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There are questions about these Maximilian pesos for which answers aren't readily found.

It's not clear to what degree they continued to circulate after his demise, and while you'd think they might have been largely melted down in the course of reconstituting the republic and in the interest of effacing Maximilian's memory, there nonetheless seems to be plenty still extant.

There's also the issue regarding what forgeries there are of these, whether they're primarily contemporary (more or less) counterfeits or latter day "replicas" made expressly for the purpose of duping turistas and/or collectors.

Another unknown, particularly with respect to the 1866 issues, is if a portion were exported for the Chinese trade (although I suspect that any that reached those shores would've most likely been summarily rejected). Certainly chopmarked examples would be of interest, provided they aren't spurious.
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These are one of my favourite world coin types, I'm still waiting to find one waiting for me at the bottom of a priced-at-melt bin (but it'll never ever happen).

As usual, I'll post this: you can own a down-sized proof replica from the Mexican Mint for only USD$16.57!
http://www.cmm.gob.mx/nuestra-colec...miliano.html

Can you see the family resemblance?
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Keeping world rule in the family.
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Is this one from your personal collection, Lucky Cuss? Do you judge it to be genuine? I would be interesting to see what the edge looks like.
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Is this one from your personal collection, Lucky Cuss? Do you judge it to be genuine?


Yes and yes.


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I would be interesting to see what the edge looks like.


Unlike a lot of other Mexican coinage, the edge on these is reeded and not especially intricate or unusual, so I hadn't taken a photo of that.
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One of my favorites. You can find vf-xf for about $50.
To answer the questions:

Yes Max pesos continued to circulate after he was killed. Not so much the other denominations, which never really caught on anyway. Maximilian was not totally hated. Obviously Juarez had to take him out, but as far as I know, the black decree was the only excuse he could find to do so.

Most counterfeits are modern.

These were not used for China trade. Well maybe a few.
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Here is mine. I paid $75 about 3 years ago which is probably too much. It weighs $27.08g.

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There is evidence from contemporary publications that Maximilian coinage circulated until the 1890s. I assume it was especially the small change that kept floating around. The larger coins would have been more of a hassle in daily commerce, besides they made popular souvenirs from the first moment on. I guess this is also the reason why the 20 pesos gold coin is the most frequently encountered Mexican (non bullion) gold coin today.

Forgeries are modern. I haven't really seen anything that I would qualify as contemporary counterfeit. There are also ounce-style restrikes, most notably one from the Casa Baron in Mexico City from the 1960s (easily recognizable because it shows the letter "B", there was no intention whatsoever of duping somebody, a wonderful item!). The best known Maximilian souvenirs are the small "one peso" gold items that are still being produced today, plus an array of medals with his portrait, or the conjoined busts of him and Carlotta, sometimes with the royal crest on the reverse, also with the Aztec calendar. These have been privately made at all times after his demise. Maximilians portrait is by far the most imitated Mexican coin design.

The edge of the pesos is reeded, which sometimes confuses collectors which have learned that reeded edges are a telltale sign of cheap Chinese copies of the Cap & Rays pesos. The pesos have a smaller diameter than the 8 reales, it is said that this was one of the reasons they were not really accepted in the Asia trade (the same fate befell the later peso issue).

It is estimated that 5-6 Maximilian pesos with chopmarks exist. They are, of course, highly sought after by chopmarks collectors.
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My Maximilian Peso 26.95 grams, 37.5mm.

Remember he is the man who approved a new currency, peso of Mexico.
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There is evidence from contemporary publications that Maximilian coinage circulated until the 1890s.


Most show enough wear that this seems plausible.



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The pesos have a smaller diameter than the 8 reales, it is said that this was one of the reasons they were not really accepted in the Asia trade (the same fate befell the later peso issue).


I was just finishing a pending post on that later "blance scale" peso that makes this same point.

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