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Unattributed Silver Crusader Coins

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 Posted 07/06/2014  11:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add markbaer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

I have roughly about 800 or 1.4 kg of unattributed silver coins from the Crusader era which were discovered in a single hoard. There is a mixture of Levon Crusader coins, Mamluk, Mongol, and Ayyubid coins.

I've just finally finished cleaning them all (they were all uncleaned initially), and am now trying to figure out how to begin the task of attributing them.

I believe that a number of the Mongol coins may be from Genghis Khan, although as I understand the Mongols used the coinage of the lands that they conquered.

I've been trying to find some useful resources that a lay person as I could follow, specifically on Genghis Khan coinage; however, I have had relatively little luck (other than a few pages about fake coins).

Does anyone know of a good online resource for attributing Genghis Khan silver coins?

thank you!

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 Posted 07/07/2014  03:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
www.zeno.ru is a good reference database for Asian and Islamic coins of all kinds. Genghis (variously spelled, also commonly spelled "Chingiz" or "Chinggis") like many barbarian warlords before him such as Attila the Hun, did not issue much coinage in his own name. It was his descendants that settled down to actually run the various countries that he conquered and found the need to issue large quantities of new coinages. But unlike Attila, Genghis can be found named on a few scarce pieces, such as this coin from Merv.

It is unlikely you'd find many coins actually naming Genghis in a hoard from the Levant. You're much more likely to find Ilkhanid coins.
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 Posted 07/07/2014  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I posted a couple of coins of the Era of the great khan. https://goccf.com/t/135692
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 Posted 07/07/2014  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! would love to see some pictures posted here. As Sap said Zeno is a good place to check.
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 Posted 07/07/2014  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the links, including your link ancientnoob.
I'll post a bunch of them very soon... I'm still learning how to take decent pictures though to warn you:)
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 Posted 07/07/2014  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I in particular would like to see photos of the "Levon Crusader" coins.
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 Posted 07/07/2014  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok here are some of them! Sorry for the crumby pictures...this is my first time trying to take pics of coins. Also I probably have more cleaning to do at some point...

Here is a as many coins as I could fit on one piece of paper. There are a mixture of small, medium, and larger coins. There are lot of others in coin slips, and others still soaking in distilled water (despite me having attempted to clean several time with sulphuric acid, lemon juice, baking soda, and aluminum foil).

Hopefully I loaded these correctly!

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There has got to be a fortune in there! Even at 5 bucks a piece it's thousands. Could be tens of thousands of dollars. What are you a templar?
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 Posted 07/07/2014  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hah I hope so...! I've always loved history, but I'm very new to coins...It's quite exciting though I have to say. I would have never thought that you could own coins from the ancient roman/greek empires, etc. It feels like a bit of a treasure hunt since at least in this case, I have no idea what I have.
I bought about 40 unattributed silver Roman coins too, so I'm slowly going through those as well (I think that I've figured out about 3 of them so far...and even those I'm not entirely sure about!).
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Wow those are fantastic. I'd be really lucky to find one of these let alone a hoard like this. Congrats. Post your Roman coins a few at a time an we will be glad to help you attribute them.
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 Posted 07/07/2014  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks echizento - I'll post them as well.
I have some celtic white gold coins I just got as well, but I think that those are much easier to figure out since there seem to be far fewer of them. I found Chris Rudd's site as well, which was a tremendous help.
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 Posted 07/07/2014  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuy1530 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Feel free to post them even if you have them attributed. We all love seeing cool coins :)
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 Posted 07/07/2014  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
will do!
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wow! how cool! you're doing a nice job cleaning, I've never cleaned silver coins. please tell your process if you have time.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hah thanks! I used the method posted on crusty romans.com - they wrap each coin in aluminum foil, and then put it in water with some sulphuric acid (which is in some types of drain cleaner). Once the reaction stops, they say to clean it with baking soda.

I did that, and then on top of that instead of just baking soda, used a small amt of baking soda, put a few drops of lemon juice on top, and rubbed it in tin foil right away.

I was starting to get a bit lazy though as time went on...I still have a couple hundred I still have to do. And many of the ones that I didn't post still need to be reclined probably. I wish that I could just soak them in lemon juice for a week and let everything but the silver just dissolve away!
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 Posted 07/08/2014  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markbaer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oops sorry 'recleaned' not 'reclined'
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