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Colligo ergo sum
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I agree. I would want to see the rabbit ears before I would lay that kind of money down.
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The coin looks cleaned from that angle. I wouldn't buy it, if I were you.
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As I said, I've no intention whatsoever of bidding on this. If I were looking to acquire a high end coin of this sort, I'd be watching for one to come up through Heritage, Goldberg, or Stack's Bowers, not laying my chips down in the ebay casino.
Colligo ergo sum
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Not only is the coin a counterfeit, but I think the slab is as well. The seller has previously sold TWO 1893-S Morgans and a 1955 Double Die Lincoln. All are XF-45..... duh. I just reported the lot as if it will do any good
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Quote: The seller has previously sold TWO 1893-S Morgans Also slabbed "PCGS"? I wouldn't be surprised as there was recently another thread here regarding a phony in a fake PCGS holder being offered via Craigslist: https://goccf.com/t/181233The color and luster of that one resembles that of this latest one, even allowing for the lousy photos. Also "graded" XF45.
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I sent the seller a request that I was interested and would like to see a close-up of the "liberty" motto. Let's see if he responds.
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The seller suppresses the link to "view item" (I did not know you could even do that) however the description for all of his mega-rarities has the PCGS cert number. This can be found in his feedback: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...backAsSeller So, this apparently is a regular scam he is practicing.
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Here is the link for the 1893-S previously sold by this seller. He has removed the pictures, however. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321332673036?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html%3F_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=321332673036&_rdc=1
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Interesting too what he says about his business: I have been collecting coins since 1963. I buy, sell, and trade 1893 S Morgan (NGC & PCGS) Silver Dollars exclusively, and I have no coin graded lower than VF25. You are more than welcome to trade-in, or trade-up on a 1893 S Morgan silver dollar. You will always receive your full purchase price on any trade-up that you purchased from me. I offer free shipping and I have a 14-day return policy on any purchase. A accept Checks, Cashiers Checks, and Direct Deposit. There will be an added fee if payed with PayPal. Call me direct at (805) 448-2135 for current inventory including PCGS XF45, and PCGS AU53 . My quality NGC & PCGS coins speak for themselves. Ummm- didn't he also sell a '55 Lincoln DD? {Cough}
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I finally got around to looking up the certification number, it comes back with nothing insofar as auction appearances or being in a registry. Also no images, so the real coin would be tailor made for counterfeiting. I will say that reexamining the photos, this one does not seem to have the unnatural luster that some other obvious slabbed fakes of this issue do, despite my thinking so initially. So I'll retract that comment. Bottom line is, I just don't know. This seller's been on ebay over a decade. But I will stand by my original statement that the photos he's provided in this present auction are an appallingly inadequate basis for someone to be bidding almost $11K (which nobody's done - yet).
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss 07/17/2014 10:38 pm
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This is the reply I received from the seller to provide a close up of the "Liberty" motto. He may very well be on the up and up, but as previously stated by LC, just too big a risk. Quote: I am not certain if my camera can zoom-in any more than the images that we posted. I stumbled on to a feature on my imac the other day that may help you. Copy the coins image on to your desk top and then press the (~) key on the upper left corner of your keyboard. It allows you to zoom in on a specific area of the image. To clear the zoom feature just press (esc). Let me know if this works on your keyboard as well.
Edited by dave700x 07/17/2014 8:40 pm
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If you have multiple 1893-S Morgan dollars, you should have a capable camera.
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If I'm selling a 10K coin, I'm having at least 6 pictures minimum.
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Quote:If you have multiple 1893-S Morgan dollars, you should have a capable camera. I agree. Moreover, we're to believe that he only has a camera that can't take better, more closeup pictures that those? Even an average point and shoot digital from Walmart will do that. This excuse is pretty ludicrous on its face and just another reason to be once more very suspicious.
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Coin looks okay to me. The price isn't out of line either, maybe a touch higher than you'd pay at a coin show or major auction firm, but reasonable. The seller has had some high dollar items sold previously on ebay, a 911 Porsche, several 1893-S dollars, he's been a member since 2003 no negative feedback. If this is a coin you want badly enough, it's cheap enough to see it in person, a roundtrip airline trip via Southwest Air, is only a couple of hundred dollars at the most, and a small price to pay to see the coin and take it home if you like it. I have no knowledge of the seller, just my own observations on the little information provided. Call him up, talk to him, and possibly see if there is a dealer nearby him, that you trust, and that may be able to verify or help with the transaction. While 1893-S Morgans are uncommon, they aren't exactly rare or hard to find in AU or lower grades. You can always keep waiting for the right one to show up at a Heritage or Stacks/Bowers auction, or through a local coin show, which might be better. This one listed, isn't half bad, but it's not the prettiest one I've seen in that grade either. An average EF45 looking coin to me. I also agree when selling coins of this caliber, there should be much better photographs included, if only to help sell the coin and make it look as good as possible. Some dealers just don't care though, and sell enough regardless of the photos they have. Many dealers have quite a few in their inventory, Jack Beymer currently has 11 1893-S dollars, though his nicest is only VF35. Great Collections has 10 up for sale now (again nothing this nice), uncommon as I said but not exactly rare, just expensive. There is a nice EF40 NGC coming up in a Stacks/Bowers auction in August they have 15 currently up at auction (the EF40 is the nicest). http://www.stacksbowers.com/BrowseA...Default.aspx br / And a nice EF45 from DLRC up now. Will probably go for just under $12K if it meets the reserve price. http://www.davidlawrence.com/invent...otid/1023548My 2¢ worth.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
Edited by westcoin 07/17/2014 11:41 pm
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