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Rare Vs High Grade For Future Price Appreciation

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What's your take on looking for coins for "investment" purposes. I love owning high grade coins. They just put a grin on my face. But I'm wondering if some lower grade rare dates might appreciate faster over time.

As an extreme example, let's say I have $200 to invest in a Liberty Walking half. Does it make more sense to get a G-04 1921 or a MS-66 1940. Obviously the one date is so rare that even a near slick is valuable. But the other coin is also somewhat rare because it is very high grade.

Any thoughts? What is your strategy in situations like these?
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 Posted 08/06/2014  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO investing in rare coins is not a very profitable way to go. However, collecting the best coins you can afford to get, understanding the series you are collecting, eventually you will probably make money when it's time to sell... in 20-30 years.

I also don't think there is much profit to be made in coins under $1-5K range these days.
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 Posted 08/06/2014  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like pretty coins so I'd buy the higher-grade example. But for $200 as an investment, I'd be targeting a '23-S in VF30.
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 Posted 08/06/2014  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's really no telling which of the options you posed will have more value in the future, you'll get good arguments from either side of the fence. With that in mind I'd buy the coin that you feel better about owning. Which one will give you more pleasure to look at, talk about, read about and share with others.

If you're hoping for more money down the road from it I'd probably recommend a lot of different options before either of the ones you posed. And I doubt it would be a coin.

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 Posted 08/06/2014  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm gonnah keep it short: Invest in rarities, not conditional rarities, the reason? There isn't a conditional attached.
There have been dozens of topics on CCF in the past regarding the functionality of investing in Grade vs. Rarity. Please look them up.
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 Posted 08/06/2014  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ant76 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was told in the very beggining by 3 big guys in the Coin World to buy rarities. They always have value and will always rise. That was four months ago. I LOVE Morgan dollars (suprise) but have started purchasing key date coins in all series. For example, I buy every 1932 d and s Washington quarter put in front of me. I dont have any monster ones, just lower grade ones as I was told there will always be value. I purchased a 1939 d (i think) Jefferson nickle in ms67 or 68 (dont remember) because I was told it was a key date and the only one graded that high. It was under $200. My feelings, and I could be wrong, is that nickel should be good down the road unless someone find a hoard of them. But the biggest reason I buy a coin is because I like it. I bought a $10 commem a few days ago where everyone said to me "why". I like it a lot thats why. Being new to the whole Coin World, I dont really know much. I pick up a book and look at the mintage for different coins. Usually the low mintage of any type of coin is what I go after. And I alway always buy a PL morgan because I love them haha
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It's hard to guess what someone will want 20 years from now. I look back over 20 years and see tremendous appreciation in Seated dollars, any coin with cc on it, and early walkers above F grade. However the attractive low mintage MS66 early commemoratives have been in the dumps for decades. Same thing with rare gold, which changes only according to bullion. Modern proof sets are worth little more than the 91 cents they contain. Maybe this will change, maybe not.

Coins are for flipping, but not in the same sense as stocks and real estate. The time frame is much longer for coin investment, with returns that occasionally beat inflation. It's a pastime and hobby. So buy what you like. If you get tired of it sell it and don't worry about the loss.
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 Posted 08/06/2014  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although coin collecting has been around for a long, long time, even that falling apart is possible. You should never consider any hobby as an investment. Yes some or all coins may well go up, up, up bot also may go down, down, down. So many hobbies have collapsed or almost. Think of Beanie Babies or Hot Wheel cars for example. Worse yet is all those Sport type cars my Son had accumulated and found no one wants them at all. At one flea market there is seller that sells those by the box of a few hundred cards per box for $1. Although the present day usage of coins is fading away as well as currency, still those left may end up similar to oil paintings. And those too in most instances are selling for practically nothing. And with coins there are so many counterfeits out there today, you could end up investing in something that is not only not rare but not real.
But back to coins. I'd say just collect coins for FUN and ignor any possible future gains.
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 Posted 08/06/2014  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Basically what you are asking is it better to invest in rare coins or coins that are rare in nice condition, or what is called a conditional rarity, here is another discussion of that question.

https://goccf.com/t/183185
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 Posted 08/06/2014  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spaceace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I only collect for the enjoyment of the hobby. I hope to never need to sell my collection so that I can pass it on to my kids, but if I was going for an investment option I would definitely want the rare coin instead of a high grade coin. I enjoy the history of coins and I actually like the look of a circulated old coin that shows a nice tone/patina, so I might as well get an investment coin that I like.
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 Posted 08/06/2014  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tkbslc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
THanks for the feedback, although I don't know if any of that made it clear cut! :)

Certainly I'm not looking this as a money-making opportunity, but of course when putting down what can be relatively large sums of money for coins, it seems beneficial to think about preserving your investment. Maybe I am naive, but I was thinking of it as a fun hobby that can kind of double as a backup emergency fund. Meaning if I have a few thousand in coins, and I really get into financial straits, I can get most of that back. Ideally, I build an interesting and valuable asset that I leave to my grand kids in 40 years,. I don't plan to sell my coins for profit, either, but who doesn't want their assets to appreciate if possible?
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 Posted 08/06/2014  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish my dad had bought us common silver dollars instead of modern clad proof sets....

Having collected and accumulated coins for 50 years, I've come to prefer coins that have intrinsic value and rarity over high grade. I like coins that are interesting too, and have branched into collecting French and Spanish Colonial silver. I also collect sterling and coin table silver, which is often priced lower than bullion coins yet is attractive and often exceedingly rare. San Francisco silverware made by Schulz and Fischer, for example.
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 Posted 08/06/2014  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you just want to enjoy the hobby and buy nice coins, do it. Most of your material will hold it's value fairly well as long as it isn't modern stuff. You can always do what I do if you want to ensure a profit is going to be made when you die... only buy coins that are good deals.
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Collect what you like. Unless large numbers of coins are lost or destroyed, most rare and high condition coins are a hedge against inflation at best. Worse, you could be jumping on a trend that will go out of style, losing a great deal of money as your $200 coin in 2014 dollars becomes a $100 coin in 2064 dollars.

The biggest chance to make a quick buck in coins is to accurately predict a trend--eBay barons managed to buy 2009 cents by the box at face value and turn them around for $200-350 per box back when they were rare and nobody had them--now they're worth $50 on a good day.
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 Posted 08/06/2014  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cruisinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
(in gravelly pirate voice) I like me high grades more than me low grades.
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