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Bring Back The Gold/Silver Standard, Well A Fraction Of?

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 Posted 08/09/2014  11:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add LeoS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like to see some value in our money. Confidence in any currency riding solely on faith, in these times is shaky at best.

Since we are up for looking at new compositions, why not:

Use a $100 silver / $10000 gold standard and do this:

The mint offers US Currency in a new dollar coin, which has 1/100 ounce of silver in it, maybe the size of a hole punch in the center, which is pressed in. Other coins could be made up to a $100 one ounce pure silver coin (Maybe the size of an ASE?).

A $100 gold coin could be made, same as above, with a 1/100 ounce of gold in the center. A $1000 coin could be made with a 1/10 ounce in center, etc.

Outside of being neat, I think people would have some faith in what they carry, thus wanting US currency in physical form.

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 Posted 08/09/2014  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will never work. Remember, US dollars are scattered across the globe. Gold would have to be re-valued by hundreds, if not thousands of times the amount you've mentioned. Besides, we will see digital currency, not coin, per demand.
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 Posted 08/09/2014  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's more money in the world than there is gold.
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 Posted 08/10/2014  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LeoS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i get the above comments, however, I feel that digital currencies will fail. We will see Bitcoin go away, and everyone who got in at the wrong time are burned.

If the government can't track it, they cant tax it. If they can't tax it, they won't allow it.

However, if a group of billions got together and created a trillion dollar, gold backed (or other asset) currency, even at a fraction of it's real value (1/20 to 1), i'd invest.

I think we will see digital currencies fail, then maybe the Euro. The USD has already dropped in value, I do know it's all relative, but.... when min wage is $15, and people out of college can't get a job for more than 40k (with 100k+ in debt), how can someone out of college buy a $200k house, a $400 a month car, 1,000 month in utilities, food, insurance, when they are taking home at most 2k per month.

Something's gotta give.
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 Posted 08/10/2014  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Something's gotta give.
And that something will be the cushy lifestyle that we Americans have come to expect.
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We need to stop, as a society, living above our means. Nobody needs a $400 amonth car....imo
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Perhaps cars are cheaper in USA because I don't think many families here would manage to get a reliable car on $400/£235 a month, unless they put down a large deposit or paid for their own repairs.
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 Posted 08/11/2014  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The mint offers US Currency in a new dollar coin, which has 1/100 ounce of silver in it, maybe the size of a hole punch in the center, which is pressed in.

Mexico tried exactly this, back in the early 1990s, for much the same reasons as you've suggested: silver in the money would put more faith in the money, thus reducing inflation. The Mexican peso was in a downward spiral at the time, so when the powerful Mexican silver lobby suggested they try this, the desperate Mexican government agreed.

The problem is, for this to work, all (or the vast majority) of the money has to be in the bullion-backed form. Otherwise, Gresham's Law will see people hoard the "good money" (silver coins) and choose to spend the "bad money" (non-silver-backed-paper and electronic cash). And it didn't help the Mexican inflation problem one iota. Once the value of the peso fell below the value of the silver in the coins, the hoarded coins were systematically destroyed by the populace in order to get at the silver.

There isn't enough silver and gold in the world to back the presently existing amount of US dollars, let alone the rest of the world's currencies. And unless something really bad happens to prevent the world's population from continuing to grow exponentially or some new whiz-bang technology allows the mining rate to keep up with the population growth for a change, this is going to continue to be the case. Like it or not, inflation is hard-wired into our economy. Sustained long-term deflation can only happen when people and governments make unreasonable sacrifices - such as everyone taking a 50% pay cut, while prices for all goods and services only drop 5%. How many politicians are going to suggest something like that? How many would survive the lynch mobs if they went ahead with such policies anyway?
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 Posted 08/11/2014  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASEnut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SA has a lot of US dollars oh yeah
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Look at the Zimbabwe situation a few years back. Now imagine that instead of chasing paper notes they had to chase real gold to put food on their tables. This type of standard will only benefit the wealthy. What really needs to be done is hold your politicians accountable and stop going to war so hastily. And issue Treasury notes that accrue no interest to anybody.
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there is such a simple answer to this problem BUT nobody is prepared to do it.
Live within your means and save for what you want/need.
Don't buy anything "On Tic" Use cash.
My late Father gave me this advice and I try my best to adhere to it (He was Old School) and I believe it is very good advice .

NOW, If we could only get the Government departments and the politicians to think this way, We would all be sitting pretty.

NOT going to happen unfortunately .
We are all so used to living the good life, using and exploiting finite resources.
There is only so much Food, water, land and fuels available and the wealtheir nations (Australia included) don't really care much as long as they can still afford to pay to waste these resources.
This can only end up badly at the end of the day
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 Posted 08/11/2014  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LeoS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed to all 100% (well, almost).

I do not live above my means, I drive a car that's 14 years old and plan on another 4-6 years.

The point I was making is perhaps to the next generation, whom have become accustomed to living above their means.

Those of us who grew up with nothing (including me), learned early to appreciate, save, and spend wisely. A good bit of the next gen have grown up with far more, thus their expectations are to do better upon graduating/getting a job. The pendulum will swing back, as soon as we stop providing hand outs, cell phones, money,etc to anyone who isn't making 50k per year.

I tell my kids now that it will take them 10 years after college to have the lifestyle they have now, and they will never regret saving and working hard. It's about delayed gratification, and we (Americans), have not taught that to most of the next generation.
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