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This was in a small lot of foreign currency but I have no other clue. Made of linen.

Thanks

Paul

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Don't know much about what it is, but it looks Japanese to me.
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I can't help you much with it either, but I think I recognise some of the characters, even though I can't read them. It might be someone writing Traditional Chinese in cursive. It's rather different than reading block Chinese letters, you need to learn extra to be able to read/write it. But by the bottom bit of the first characer (the round thing that looks like a flipped "e") it might be Japanese too.
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A prayer flag?
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My younger siblings' Mandarin teacher came, and I took the chance to ask her. it's Mandarin and not Japanese, apparently. She couldn't read much off it either because it was in cursive mandarin. But she thinks it might be some sort of cloth they hang on the temple that people pray to.

Circled in green are surnames, I forgot what the left one was, but the right one reads wén. Circled in blue are names. Circled in red is what she thinks is the time period/age of it. For all I know it might be anywhere in the left picture.

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Looks like Hansatsu issued in Japan. This one is quite faded and damaged.
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it looks like one.
Since there aren't any active Japanese members, I might as well ask over on the Korean forum that I am also a member of. May get a better idea of what's written on it.
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Lots of good hints and thoughts. I actually have handled a number of Hansatsu and this is very different. I actually have never seen Hansatsu in anything other than card stock paper whereas this is linen. One colleague thought this might be a bank receipt.

Again, thanks!!
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I agree that all the hansatsu is on card stock weight paper. A linen note would lead me to think its Chinese as well.
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I just received the Chinese catalog by Smith-Matravers, and noted that it lists a few of these styles of Chinese banknotes. While I have not been able to attribute yours, it is mentioned in the listings that they are ‘small commercial type V'.

The Type V is defined thus:

Commercial Notes, also probably post 1880 and as late as 1912-1913, but dated examples are rare.

Obverse: No outside border or principal heading. Entire note, except central text portion, filled in by hand or hand stamped. Very light paper. Average size approximately 65x150 mm or about the size of a modern US note.

Reverse: Blank, other than the isolated examples with simple, brief seals.


The note you show looks to be a little thinner than the ones in the catalog, so the size may be a little off from this early catalog description.
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Just wanted to add that it looks as if these notes are generally attributed using the red seal at the lower left. I tried to get yours, but either it is too faded to see all the details of the script, or it is simply not in the catalog (it is a good one, but an early one for these notes). If you find someone who can read Chinese, have them concentrate on that area as well, and see what they can make out - it may give a key to the notes issuer or region.
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I have great difficulty reading cursive script.

Regarding the left document, about one-third down next to the left edge is a red chop with the characters:
'


This refers to the "Republic of China".

The date is written below this chop. I'm sure it is "the third month" (叁月). I'm not sure of the year but it could possibly be "the twentieth year" which would be 1931.

One of the names on the right document is Zheng Fengqi:
e
e


I tried searching for this name in Chinese and Japanese search engines. I found one document in Chinese and one document in Korean which contained this name.

Both sources referred to a list of names for the surname Zheng (e). Parents with the family name Zheng could use this list of names to help select names for their children.

Since the search engines did not find any other references to this name, the person probably was not famous.

Unfortunately, I can't understand enough of the cursive script to determine exactly what these documents are.

Gary
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looks very old Japanese
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