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Petrus Pillar of the Community Belgium 2895 Posts	Posted 08/25/2014 6:08 pm I have a silver replica of a mediÃ«val (?) coin Can anyone give me a hint where to search for the Original? I do not find the monogram there is a 0.95 silvermark diameter : 21,4mm 6,25 grams Many thanks ENVICO DEO NIT GRATIA ? REX Report this Post to the Staff

Petrus Pillar of the Community Belgium 2895 Posts	Posted 08/25/2014 6:08 pm thanks everybody. Found it ! http://numismatics.org/collection/1958.204.4 But.... What is the meaning of the tekst? Anybody? Edited by Petrus 08/25/2014 6:37 pm Report this Post to the Staff
philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 08/26/2014 07:40 am X CRATIA D_I REX. A crude rendering of +GRATIA DEI REX. With the Karolus monogram in the center, it reads "Charles, King by the grace of God." Report this Post to the Staff
philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 08/26/2014 08:41 am DEONIT is the medieval name of Dinan, in Brittany, where this denier was minted. EN VICO is a corruption of "in fisco." "Fiscus" in Latin refers to the treasury of the king or emperor, but in Carolingian France, "fiscus" was the abbreviated term for "villa fiscalis," meaning, a town in the demesne of the king, as opposed to a free borough. "In fisco Deonit" = "in the royal town of Dinan." Report this Post to the Staff
Petrus Pillar of the Community Belgium 2895 Posts	Posted 08/26/2014 12:53 pm Phil, thanks for the effort, but I have to contradict you. EN VICO DEONIT is early latin and says : 'IN VICO DEONANTIS' what means : 'in the settlement Dinant. Dinant is a city in French Belgium with a early history. I have this information from a paper I found that explains the origin of the replica. The name 'Dinant' has Divo Nanto' as origin (celtic) meaning 'sacred valley': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinant If you like, I can send you this information (pdf 818kB) The link I posted here above says that the coin is from 'anse de dinan'. This is French and means 'bay of Dinan'. I did send a mail to the EGMP (official 'belgian coin association') to ask for an explanation. I will let you know. Report this Post to the Staff
philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 08/26/2014 1:46 pm I did find references for Dinant instead of Dinan; spoke too soon on the town, especially as it seems this phrasing is common to the Belgian mints. I do stand by the "villa fiscalis" derivation, though. Report this Post to the Staff
Petrus Pillar of the Community Belgium 2895 Posts	Posted 08/26/2014 3:38 pm I had an answer from Mantis. They admitted that they are wrong on 'anse de dinan' Villa fisclis : I have not yet received word from the EGMP. Here you find a crude translation from the information on the replica: To celebrate the tentoonsteling coins and medals of the Kingdom Belgium, which is organized in Brussels (Royal Library, Penningkabinet) from February 12 to April 2 19 7, is published by the medal publishers Fibru and Mauquoy, in cooperation with the Royal Library, a penny a faithful representation of a preserved in the Penningkabinet the Royal Library, Carolingian coin, the silver denier. Front: the monogram KAROL VS, formed by the letters K, R, S and L, which are connected to an O which the letters A, D and V represents. Around this it until XCRATIOADLREX distorted legend "dei gratia rex" (= Charles, king by the grace of God) Reverse: the to + ENVICODEONIT distorted Roundtext "in vico deonantisÂ» (= in the settlement Dinant), around a cross, christian symbol of the Merovingian coins was taken. This silver coin was between 867 and 877 struck in the mint of Dinant for the Carolingian ruler Charles the Bald (843-877). It is the oldest coin, coming from our regions, in which the word rex (king) occurs, it also has virtually the same constitutional significance as the present! The monetary system of the Carolingians relied entirely on the silver denier. Confusion with the original currency was avoided by striking a disc of 21 mm diameter, the medal is considerably larger than the denier. To clarify that this medal 2nd relative to the published in 1973 stater of Nerviens in a series of 12, as it were, an overview on our numismatic coin history will form, was on the verge twice the publisher mark stamped. Report this Post to the Staff
Petrus Pillar of the Community Belgium 2895 Posts	Posted 08/28/2014 12:17 pm Phil, I had a reply of Mr Louwagie (the curator of the 'Penningkabinet' of the Royal Library of Belgium). 'En vico' evolved in 'in vicus', here indeed meaning settlement, village. This title was used only in the region around the river Meuse : Deonant, Hoio, Namuco, Viosato and Triecto. (Dinant, Huy, Namur, VisÃ© and Maastricht). 'In fiscus' is farfetched (dixit Louwagie) for this coin. However, you are a little bit right. 'In fisco' or 'de fisco' was used just in Austrasia, just below the region mentioned above. So we will not know what is correct. What were the thinking 12 centuries ago when they created the legend on this coin..... Thanks again for all you efforts. I appreciate your help. Report this Post to the Staff
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