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 Posted 08/21/2007  10:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Moonshine to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,
What about the 6, Post mint or what?


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 Posted 08/21/2007  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely post mint...the top of the 6 was sheared by an unknown damaging object and the small piece of metal was retained. It's just damage.
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 Posted 08/21/2007  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first thought is that it's a " Cud" but, could be post mint although the rest of the coin would have received sharp dings as well presumably. This could very well be mint damage.
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 Posted 08/22/2007  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if you look closely, you can see where the metal was damaged at the point in the 6 just above the loop of the six, It was moved down and to the right into the position you see in the picture. There is simply no chance that this was any kind of mint damage.
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 Posted 08/22/2007  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 08/22/2007  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it can not be a Cud. a Cud will only be on the rim and nowhere else.. I agree it is post mint
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 Posted 08/22/2007  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, post mint damage. In any case, it's still a wheatie.

"An area of a coin struck by a die that has a complete break across part of its surface. A Cud may be either a Retained Cud, where the faulty piece of the die is still in place, or a full Cud, where the piece of the die has fallen away. Retained Cuds usually have dentil detail if on the edge, while full Cuds do not." - CCF Glossary
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08/22/2007 09:15 am
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 Posted 08/22/2007  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scottishmoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PMD - post mint damage.
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 Posted 08/22/2007  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once again a reference glossary is wrong. Doesn't surprise me much, a number of the glossaries online took their definitions from other supposedly reliable sources that were wrong to begin with.

Cuds are ONLY on the edge of a design, and are a complete rim to rim die break where the piece of the die has broken completely out and is no longer there to strike the coin. They leave an entire area of the planchet unstruck and bare. A break of any other sort completely inside the design of a coin is a die chip or a die break - depending on size.

Rim Cuds are a very common thing where a small chip or break forms along the edge of the rim and looks like small areas of extra metal along the outside of the rim. These are common and worthless. The Cuds that are actually valuable are those that are obvious and affect part of the overall design of the coin.
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 Posted 08/22/2007  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greyhav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's the effect I see on the tops of all the numbers and the mint mark? Since no one's mentioned doubling, is that just a common appearance, from the striking, an artifact of the photograph/lighting, or what?
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I saw that as well I am almost certain it is Mechanical Doubling and common.
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 Posted 08/22/2007  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a Cud...56-D-Wheat-?
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 Posted 08/22/2007  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd forgotten about my "big honkin Cud" pic from a while ago.

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I took the info from our CCF Glossary. Hopefully, "MOM" will read this and comment or correct. Thanks for pointing out the inaccuracy of their glossary. I know that they do strive for accuracy in their "definitions".
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08/22/2007 11:25 pm
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 Posted 08/23/2007  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greyhav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
" I saw that as well I am almost certain it is Mechanical Doubling and common."

Could be what weakened the 6 to allow the damage to occur?
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