1952 D/D/D...but I Have A Question About The 2

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AMB Pillar of the Community United States 801 Posts	Posted 09/02/2014 12:23 am Here is a 1952D 1MM-016, markers pictured for confirmation. The 2 in the year has a squared notch in the bottom left field and an outline line in the lower portion of the loop...just wondered if it's doubled? The 5 and 9 have very minor notching at the bottoms of the devices too. Opinions? Thx. Edited by AMB 09/02/2014 12:26 am Report this Post to the Staff

seal006 Pillar of the Community United States 1915 Posts	Posted 09/02/2014 12:41 am The short answer to your question about the 2 is, no. Further exlanation is it apears to be circulation wear. Also when you have identified an RPM, and verified it through markers and/or overlays look at the description on coppercoins for that RPM. If there is no mention of doubling then there will not be on your coin unless it is the less desirable Machine Doubling or Die Deterioration Doubling. The reason for this is that collectible doubled dies are "hub doubling". What this means is that it occours during the process of hubbing the "working die", which is the die used to strike coins. This means that every planchet that is struck with that die will show the doubling. Now of course you could have hub doubling on the reverse of an RPM that you may not find on other coins with the same RPM. This is because the dies were swapped out once they were deemed unusable. I think it is very important for everyone that wants to collect varieties to read how these varieties come to be. If you understand what causes them you will start to understand how something you are seeing just cannot be what you might think it is because it would not be possible in the minting process. Wexler has a ton of useful info on his website. I go back and still read it from time to time just to refresh my memory. I also always seem to walk away having learned something I did not understand before. Report this Post to the Staff
AMB Pillar of the Community United States 801 Posts	Posted 09/02/2014 01:12 am Thx, will do...it's a nice DDD anyhow 😁 Report this Post to the Staff
AMB Pillar of the Community United States 801 Posts	Posted 09/02/2014 01:44 am Hey seal, Here's a thought though...the RPM 1957D 007 is listed as a D/D. An email from James Wiles he admits additional divided serifs are present which would indicate a DDD...he says that they are so minor that it's not enough to change the listing. So could there possibly be other minor errors out there the experts kinda discounted as "not enough to be relevant?"...I'd hope not, but they did on the 1957D 007. Just a thought. Edited by AMB 09/02/2014 01:48 am Report this Post to the Staff
seal006 Pillar of the Community United States 1915 Posts	Posted 09/02/2014 02:09 am Sure there could be, but that is just it, they were "too minor." Anomalies like the ones you are pointing to would not be "too minor" if they were true doubling. You would be able to see it with very little magnification. I think most of the too minor stuff is on RPMs not doubled dies. RPMs are more common than true doubled dies to begin with. I have discovered two RPMs that had never been listed before that I was given credit as the person that "discovered" these RPMs. I also have about two full tubes of "too minor" to list RPMs. Most are tilted or rotated and show extremely minor notching in one or both serifs. I keep them in the off chance one attributor will get bored one day and list a few of them. If you want easy to find doubled dies look at memorial cents from around 1997-2006. Look on the reverse. Look for minor doubling of a column next to Lincolns statue. You will also find doubling on the statue with the knees and feet. Coppercoins does list some of these, but I would bet that there are a dozen or more not listed for any given year because they are just too minor. Report this Post to the Staff
AMB Pillar of the Community United States 801 Posts	Posted 09/02/2014 02:19 am That's the great thing about RPM's they are abundant and particular decades have their oddities too. I'm still trudging through the 50's...couple more gallon containers to plow through...the 90's will have to wait. Talking about minor errors and controversies, there have been a lot of difference of opinion regarding a few coins I notice listed or "d-listed". OMM's, die cracks or scratches that resembled something other than what they were. So with that in mind I'm never afraid to question anything, ...have to ask, and never appeal to authority, no matter if they wrote the book. Thx Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 09/02/2014 03:37 am No RPMs on 1990 forward. The mint mark is part of the design of the die. Report this Post to the Staff
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