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French 5 Francs 1939 Lavrillier

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 Posted 09/02/2014  04:35 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tish99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this coin at my nans please see pictures is it a fake or real? any opinions greatly appreciated.

French-5-Francs-1939-Lavrillier
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 Posted 09/02/2014  05:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tish99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to add the weight is right but just not sure
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 Posted 09/02/2014  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks real to me. There are versions in various metals, bronze aluminium and nickel both weighing 12g and aluminium at 3.5g.

Nice coins when in decent grade. More here: http://www.cgb.fr/boutique,modernes.html





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 Posted 09/02/2014  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tish99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's its value, thank you for the information
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 Posted 09/02/2014  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They seem to sell on ebay for around £7. US$10 maybe.
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 Posted 09/02/2014  07:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tish99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Read somewhere that 1939 coin made in nickel was very rare and worth 2000-5000 euros

http://acbon.pagesperso-orange.fr/q....VAWuNim9LCQ
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 Posted 09/02/2014  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tish99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this accurate?
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 Posted 09/02/2014  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Apparently, though not my area of expertise I'm afraid. The price will of course depend on the state (grade) of the coin.

Congratulations if you have one!
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The April 2014 issue of Monnaie Magazine values this coin at:

Fine - 1800 euros
VF - 3000 euros
EF - 5000 euros

My 1989 edition of the French Gadoury catalogue states that only three examples are known and values the coin as follows:

Fine - 9000 francs
VF - 15000 francs
EF - 22000 francs

I think it would definitely be worth getting this coin authenticated!
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Thank you for the information! Where is best to go for authentication?
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Where is best to go for authentication?


Sorry, Tish - as you're based in the USA, I'm not sure. Perhaps some US based member can recommend one of the TPGs for foreign coins?
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 Posted 09/06/2014  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tish99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know why it's saying usa I'm in the uk!
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 Posted 09/07/2014  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be worth writing to cgb.fr in Paris then. Good luck!
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In 1939, nearly all 5 Francs coins of the Lavrillier type were in an aluminium-brass alloy. They have the same weight, but a thickness of 2.3 mm on account of the lower density of the alloy. Using these coins a counterfeit 'nickel' may be forged, plating it with a white metal. Even if it's 'well made' (with the design not blurred in the process) you would notice the 2.3 mm thickness and it should be non-magnetic.

Using an alu-brass original to make a 'transfer die' set, anything is possible. It would however be an expensive facility for a 'market' that can only be there while the counterfeit remains rare itself.
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Seems that there are a lot of copies for sale:
This site does not allow the site where I found a lot of copies)
Please google this : 1939-nickel_reviews.html and find the site AliExpress

Same discussion on : http://en.numista.com/forum/topic35...html#p296324
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