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Unknown, Royal (European?) Crown With Monogram (Token?)

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 Posted 09/04/2014  11:55 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sander to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
These, 1 bought 4 of them, intrigued me from the minute I seen them.. I have no clue, I had but was a dead end..

3 of them are yellowish copper.. (22mm and 2,1 gram)
1 is much darker.. (25mm en 3,7 gram)

They look 'old', also they are not real round, maybe they been cut by hand..

They're struck on 1 side wat left over a incuse on the reverse.. Any help is welcome..

Thanks in advance..


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"Yellow Copper reverse"
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"Bigger one reverse"
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 Posted 09/04/2014  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The crown appears to be the same royal crown you see on British/commonwealth coins like the Australia penny below?
But I don't recognize the central letter of the monogram. I've seen this style of lettering before on engraved coins from the later half of the 19th C.

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 Posted 09/04/2014  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The crown indicates a royal cypher or monogram. I'm seeing a central A, with two R's in mirror image for Rex or Regina. The monogram of Queen Anne of Great Britain was constructed this way, but this appears to be later.
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 Posted 09/04/2014  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add proofart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The poster's crown has more half arches than the British one. The Australian one shown is a 2 dimensional Tudor crown for graphics use. In the colored versions, the internal cloth cap is red (heraldic rules) rather than purple/violet of the physical crowns. It is also wider than tall, again in contrast to the real crowns.
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 Posted 09/04/2014  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At first, the crown and the letter style was making me think of Queen Paola of Belgium, perhaps combined with an A for King Albert for a royal wedding monogram, but somebody would have had to have really fudged it.

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 Posted 09/04/2014  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have spend several hours on the internet trying to find answers, at first I had also Belgium in my mind.. But now looking further..

But there several other monogram's to research..

This "A" comes close but I don't think it's the sigar..

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...nd_Gotha.svg
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That's interesting--much closer to that last monogram. I got confused where I saw this design. In some ways, it also resembles the crown of Sweden's Charles XV on this Norway coin.
Or maybe it's simply a generic crown design that doesn't relate to any specific royal house?

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 Posted 09/07/2014  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add emat12001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A seal or badge of some sort? Hard to tell. Neat pieces though.
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Monogram A-R?
Mirrored R can stand for Rex or Regina (king or queen)
Denmark and the UK use the 'R'
And also queen Juliana (Netherlands had the R in her monogram, but it is not known how much it was used.
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