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Need some help! I have been looking high and low for a comprehensive definition of “error” coins. I can not find anywhere that the condition or variety of ‘ die crack’ is ever referred to as an error coin Here lately we have heard these two terms used almost interchangeably, depending on who is telling the story. For those persons who know no better, it’s a time to learn. For those who do know the difference and they still insist on using the terms in error, it amounts to trickery to the 10th. degree. So I put it to the members of this forum... Is a die crack a “error” coin or simply a variety? Please furnish evidence.  |
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Dan, here is a link to a list of "error" definitions.... http://www.richerrors.com/glossary/glossary.phpQ: What is the difference between errors and varieties? A: The two are inherently different in definition. A 'variety' is something that is placed onto the die during the die's manufacture, such as a doubled die, repunched date, or mint mark variety. An error is something that goes wrong in the coin making proccess. Edited by Mike
07/31/2005 6:16 pm
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Good question. A die crack happens when a die cracks and leaves raised impressions on a coin. This is considered an error, and some say a variety. Die cracks are VERY COMMON.
The result is not what the mint intended so it's considered a Error. If it is significant enough then I believe it's a variety.
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According to the Red Book, errors fall into 9 catagories. 1. Clipped planchets 2. Multiple Strikes 3. Blank Planchets 4. Defective Dies (die chips, die breaks) 5. Off Center 6. Broadstrike 7. Lamination 8. Brockage 9. Wrong Planchet. So technically speaking, an error is any coin that does not fall into the catagory of what was intended. Die cracks would NOT be considered varieties as this is not an intended result. Varieties are small changes in design features. Large Date, Small Motto, that sort of thing. Die cracks ARE the most common of error coins and thus more often than not are the cheapest form of error. Now the Cherry Pickers Guide list die breaks and chips as varieties, so the debate will continue.................. |
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Ken Potter sells die cracks under his "Error Section"
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Originally posted by OldDan
For those who do know the difference and they still insist on using the terms in error, it amounts to trickery to the 10th. degree.
"trickery to the 10th degree." Who is tricking who.....you are putting out false imformation about people tricking other people. Dan for the nth time...Die Cracks are ERRORS.... Edited by Errorcoins
07/31/2005 5:13 pm
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I have heard both aurguements before, I thought I had a handle on it ,but maybe I need my brain replaced!!!
If a die crack is an error? then I have a ton of them,, and a new out look on collecting them, I had them as a variety because of the change in the die, even though it was natual evolution and not done as an intentional change,,the die still has changed from its original condition, and many times I find die cracks that begin smaller and enlarge so different states of being cracked!
But then again errors,, varieties are less than a year old to me , so what do I know !!!
I can learn !
Rick
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Originally posted by Errorcoins
Dan for the nth time...Die Cracks are ERRORS....
Direct me to the authority that said this and I'll never bring up the subject again! |
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Experts never agree. Some will say yes, and some will say no.
Experts also sell them as errors, while others do not.
There is NO right answer here.
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Quote from page 146 of "Price guide to Mint Errors" by Alan Herbert
"II-D-1 Die Crack (W)
A die crack is defined as: A crack anywhere in the die face with NO die metal missing, of any length and in any direction, which may have short branches, but with no more than one end of the crack or branches reaching the edge of the die, so that on the struck coin it appears as a raised. irregular LINE of metal"
There are other classes of die cracks as well..Multiple Die Cracks,etc....
I also found the definiton on the web as well.
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07/31/2005 5:41 pm
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So be it, I guess CONECA is wrong this time.
I tip my hat to a true "error" coin collector...long live the new 5 Cent buffalo.
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Edited by Errorcoins
07/31/2005 6:14 pm
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Edited by Errorcoins
07/31/2005 6:28 pm
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In my first post I printed the definition..... Q: What is the difference between errors and varieties? A: The two are inherently different in definition. A 'variety' is something that is placed onto the die during the die's manufacture, such as a doubled die, repunched date, or mint mark variety. An error is something that goes wrong in the coin making proccess.So, after reading all the responses was this correct? It appears so! Mike  |
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Errorcoins and OldDan, please lighten up on the attacks. You have both made your points and then some. Errorcoins, you have no right to call an end to the debate. Not everyone agree's 100% with your examples and so what! Knock off the personal attacks or I will pull the plug on this whole topic. Dan conceeded the point on the nickels and did not state where on CONECA he read what he felt made his point. Please stop the personal attacks! They are adding nothing to the learning part of this thread. Mike  |
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Mike I will certainly lighten up....been having FUN with it anyways... but that's cool.......ok Dan we cool?
Many have been saying there are 2 sides to this...I have provided links supporting my point
Are there any other authoritive links that state die cracks are not errors?
Please post some.
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