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Pillar of the Community
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Have you ever had someone follow you around saying the same thing over and over. Well, I don't wish this onto any one. I was ask if I had ever discovered anything by errorcorn. Here is the answer: Before he was even a spark in his fathers eye, I was collecting coins and doing quite well. Enjoyed every minute of it and tried to help others get into the hobby. That was befor the internet and forums. It was before slabbing and third party grading. It was before ebay and the vest pocket schisters. So the solution is. Back to the past. No more forums, ebay or group meetings by internet. I will retain in contact with the several swell people I have met by way of coin forums in some other manner. Last but not least, the next time I hear about a speared Buffalo, it had better be on a spit over the BBQ pit out back. Now I'm out of here and if someone should ask, I've gone fishing!  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Strickly speaking they are damage to the dies and form a part of the dies "stage." There is die "state" and die "stage." This could also be called "wear and tear." Die state is tracking the wear from friction on the dies in the same way that grades track the wear on a coin. "Stage" is tracking actual damage to the die. Not just die cracks but such things as Cuds and clashes which BTW are commonly accepted as being errors. Die cracks are minor damage. But Cuds and clash marks can be pretty major and spectacular looking. Why should one form of damage be exualted as an "error" while another is belittled, when in fact damage is damage however great or small. Die cracks get a bad rap because they so common and are often given nick names such as "spiked Head" and "spitting horse" and because they are hyped. And in the past they have been severly hyped as being some kind of a big deal when they aren't. They're just die cracks. I love die cracks but not if it's hyped. I have alot of Peru crowns with die cracks that I didn't pay one cent extra for because it's just a die crack! And on Peru crowns they are as common as glass of water. I do have one though that I count 17 cracks on.  Coin collectors, BTW, would not get ripped by hyped if they would simply ask themselves how anything, a die crack or otherwise, can really be "rare" when every Tom Dick and Harry in town has got a 100 of them for sale. If something truely is rare it's self defeating to hype it when you can't get it yourself to re-sell. |
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Fella's, it's just Words.
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Old Dan is using a technicial word "Error" which He uses to describes certain specific faults.
While others have used the COMMON word "error" with the dictionary definitions.
"A defect or insufficiency in structure or function."
"A mistake"
"An act, assertion, or belief that unintentionally deviates from what is correct, right, or true"
"The condition of having incorrect or false knowledge"
"The act or an instance of deviating from an accepted code of behavior"
The same is true with the word "Variety". There is a technicial term and common usage definitions.
This can cause some confusion....
So to sum up.. There are a variety of varieties as well as a variety of errors. While all Varieties are varieties, not all varieties are errors. There are some errors that can be classed as a variety and there are some errors that are not a variety and are just errors. You may be in error over what you call your coin's error or variety and can use a variety of terms to discribe an error coin that is ..DIFFERENT... LOL
By the way, the coin itself doesn't care what it's called. It still has a die crack.
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Dan, I wish you would stay, you offer a great perspective on things. Yes the Internet has changed everything, but there is nothing we can do about it. There is some good (as well of lots of bad) things on the internet. So I say imbrace the good on the net. This may not surpise you, but I have bought every coin in my collection off of ebay or though an ebay contact. I have been very happy with 99% of my purchases. We are just a different generation, I'm not a young computer nerd, I had to learn the computer as an adult, not like these kids today were is is ingrained in them. Well anyways lets talk coins. Maybe I'll see you sometime up north, I will be scaring off your fish as I wad though the river with my 4x5 view camera and you be ruining my scenic image by being in the middle of the river. |
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United States
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Well, I have always felt the SBA's and Sac's were "errors"!!! |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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There you go guys, different points of view within the same publications! These arguements are healthy and a good learning experience for all. As it was stated before, just agree that it's allright to disagree, and who's right or wrong is not that important. Remember words can be weapons, so be careful how you throw them! Mike  |
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Mike, I'm confused.....I read both the other links Dan provided and I saw nowhere where it said die cracks are not errors. Lots of pictures of die cracks. I do see the term error and variety used side by side in many places. Please quote from the link were die cracks are not errors....am I missing sometihing?
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Pillar of the Community
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So the solution is. Back to the past. No more forums, ebay or group meetings by internet. I will retain in contact with the several swell people I have met by way of coin forums in some other manner. Dan wish you would'nt do that !!! I believe that your a valuble asset to the forum,,I have learned from you and I know others have also!! Like I said before, I thought I had this all figured out Error ,Variety and was fairly settled in, but I will go thru the info posted by Dan and errorcoins ,ND and others, re-elvaluate ,, I may take toasts post and use that as the rule!!! LOL But either way ,I learned something from everyone who took the time to post. Rick |
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So where does DIE GOUGE come into to all of this? Sorry, I had to ask? Mint error for sure but was it intentional?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I did not see in Dan's post where the" die cracks" were termed anything but that, "die cracks". I thought that was his point. Maybe I have lost sight of this whole arguement. Here was the original question, I thought.....
Q: What is the difference between errors and varieties?
A: The two are inherently different in definition. A 'variety' is something that is placed onto the die during the die's manufacture, such as a doubled die, repunched date, or mint mark variety. An error is something that goes wrong in the coin making proccess.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There are pretty hard and fast definitions for errors and varieties. Gen-
erally I agree with all of them except rotated reverses are technically
considered errors but I think of them as varieties because a defining char-
acteristic of error should include that one side or the other shows a de-
fect in the minting process. No defect is seen in these unless the two
sides are compared.
Vatieties can be intentional or unintentional or even accidently on purpose.
Frequently when they are intentional they are called "types" rather than
varieties.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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