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My Reasons Why The Canadian Coin Market Is Still 'Depressed'

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 Posted 09/27/2014  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been to both coin and stamp shows and I have to echo past comments regarding older people (exclusively male) attending these shows. Not only that but these shows are virtually empty. I don't think this bode well for circulation coin collecting.

Also, the local coin shops in my area are owned by men in their 60's, 70's. No one will be taking over these stores when they pass on.

Lets face it, young people are not into collecting anything. They are into social media, electronics, gaming, etc.

If they do collect coin, it will be NCLT. The latest shiny thing, like the Superman coins. Not a 1936 silver dolar or a 1944 penny. They want something relevant, not something from the distant past.

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 Posted 09/28/2014  02:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trimble to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has the internet made coin shows kind of redundant? I realize that sellers with history can see a downward trend with prices and it does look like there are deals to be had, but I suspect that being able to list a coin on ebay has had an effect on non-collectors equipped with better knowledge on how to get rid of grandpa's collection. When I first started looking at banknotes and coins on ebay, there certainly weren't over 100K listed every single day.

I'm also a book addict but 99% of the books I've bought over the last 10 years have come via the internet. On the same note, almost 100% of all the coins or banknotes I purchase is done online. (closet collector, I guess:)
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 Posted 09/28/2014  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fixguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a collector that never sells, I've had to select carefully the coins I want.
I could never get into the Superman series. The variety of NCLT is crazy! I've decided to minimize those purchases in the future and stick to a small bullion hoard and complete my sets. I feel alienated by the mint since the average Canadian couldn't begin to afford the variety they produce. I never began collecting to make a buck. I do it because it reminds me of time spent with my Dad and the possibility of finding a diamond in the rough. Want to promote coin collecting? Give a small set to a child and make it the family fun it once was.
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 Posted 09/30/2014  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I give kids coins when I think they might be interested. BU and coloured coins are a must, I try to not give them anything too common and mundane.
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 Posted 10/03/2014  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skip79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have observed many of the same things discussed in this thread, and agree with many of the points made. From my perspective, the coin collecting hobby is dying due to several adverse factors:

1. The generation that's been keeping the hobby alive all this time is dying off, with no new blood taking an interest to carry it forward. No market can continue to exist when there is no demand.

2. The routine whoring by the RCM of their NCLT products in an attempt to redefine, monopolize, and control the market; and sadly, it's working. Ironically, as I just finished typing that sentence, I received yet another RCM "Sell-out alert" email notification in the corner of my screen...

3. Adverse economic conditions, particularly hitting working/middle-class families the hardest: resulting in a decline in "entertainment" spending. Although the economy has made a slow rebound, the overall financial positions of family households differs drastically from earlier generations.

4. Recent declines in bullion prices. The precious metal price indexes are linked with coin market trends, so there is perceived risk (generally by noobs) in an era where people have a very low risk tolerance.

5. People are just too busy. People don't work 9-5 anymore, nor do they restrict their lives exclusively to job & household interests. People nowadays lead active lives, they're more social, and get sucked into technology in ways that I can't even comprehend. Also, people in mega urban centres, like the GTA, lose on average 10-15 hours a week by simply commuting. That's insane!

Although I am of the younger demographic (in my 30s), contrary to #1 (above) I'm in a very fortunate and unique position where I can invest time and money into the hobby that I've been fully immersed into since I was a kid. Most people in my generation are too consumed in their otherwise full daily lives, even more so in large urban-centres like the GTA. I too try to attend local coin shows in certain parts of Ontario, and I've observed the same trends many of you noted earlier: low turn outs, aging demographic, a lot of unhappy faces, and understandably resentful/bitter dealers. Attendance at the few coin shows I've attended this year have been so low that I have overheard some vendors (several booths away) complaining to their neighbours that they haven't sold a single coin, or asking their fellow peers "why am I even here?". When you think about the time and expense these guys put in to travelling to these shows trying to earn a living, you gotta feel for them because you know they aren't making any money doing it. The only ones who seem to enjoy being at the shows are the true enthusiasts, which are few and far between.

But here's a thought for getting some new blood:

Since I'm a big proponent of delivering "shock value" to people, I periodically go to a coffee shoppe and pay for my coffee with an old heavily circulated $1/$2 bill, or if I really want to wow them, spend a nickel 50c piece. The reactions on peoples' faces are priceless, but more importantly, the young people who receive these "odd" payments are so mesmerized by them that they (a) immediately want to know more about the currency I've handed them, (b) parade their "strange" find to their fellow co-workers, and (c) set the money aside to (presumably) purchase it at par value from their register. The point it: little things like that can create enough interest and conversations that can potentially lead some new blood into the hobby.
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 Posted 10/04/2014  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All valid points brought up here.

My take..

The hobby is dying off because there is little new blood in it. and why..?

Fewer people in there daily on-goings really want to handle coins in the first place anymore and so much in done with a card.

Coins are quickly becoming obsolete and a real hassle to carry around and there are easier options now..so you no longer have to carry a pocket or purse full of heavy metal pieces to complete your daily activities.

Out of sight, and out of use..and out of mind,..and little need for new collectors..
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