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When Was The First Chinese Pressed Coin Made?

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Hey, wondering when the first Chinese pressed coin was made and on what minting machines. Which country were they imported from?
Any resources for this history?
Pics of 1st year of real Chinese coinage?
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If you're asking when the traditional cash coin was struck rather than cast, I only know what I've read here and there, and my understanding is that this development didn't occur until the early 20th century when the final coins of this type were produced during the short reign of the last Qing Dynasty ruler, the Xuantong Emperor, and that even then reportedly there were coins still being cast as they always had been. There is some anecdotal crediting of the production of coinage struck by machines as having started during the reign of the Xuantong Emperor's predessessor, the Guangxu Emperor, which could date the beginning of Chinese struck coinage to the 1890's, but in either case, I've not seen any details as to the source of the equipment, or even if it was sited in China.
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There were some lead coins from the Southern Tang dynasty that were possibly struck from wooden dies as their style matches no other type of coin from that period.
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Did you mean when they started making their own or making ours?
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I believe the first Chinese "machine-struck coinage" (this is the usual terminology used by numismatists to distinguish modern Western-style coinage from traditional Chinese cast cash coinage) were the "Old Man Dollars", struck for use on Taiwan. However, if you're hoping for specifics about dates and places for these coins, then sorry, we can't give them - these early Chinese dollars are very unclear about how, when, where and why they were made, or even how "official" they really are. They appear to have been made sometime around the late 1830s and the earliest records of their existence date to 1841. The name "Taiwan Arsenal" appears on them in big, bold Manchu script and the city of Chiayi on Taiwan is named in the Chinese script, and there seems to be some evidence of their actual early use on the island.
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I think he's asking about the Canton (Guangzhou) mint which opened in the 1880's and the minted 10 cash coins starting in the 1880's.
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BTW, what do you mean "real Chinese coinage?!" The Chinese have been making real coins for over 2500 years!
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The Guangdong mint opened in Guangzhou in 1889, with 60 presses supplied by Heaton (Birmingham, England), staffed by 4 european employees and an unknown number of Chinese mint workers. It was designed to produce greater than 20,000 strings of cash (20,000,000 coins) per day but never exeeded about 10,000 per day. It housed everything from a furnace and rolling mill to the coin presses. It also produced silver half and 1 dollar coins. It was shut in 1895 due to it never being profitable. When it opened it was the largest mint in the world, The Royal Mint in London having 15 presses and the US Mint in Philadelphia having 10 presses (I thnk St. Petersburg had 5 or 6 presses (can't remember exactly), also from Heaton). That was the first modern mint in China. Others opened up around the same time in different provinces but Guangdong had the first.
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I have one of those struck cash - maybe the first coin ever to be struck in quantities over 1 billion.
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