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Counterfeit Inside NGC Holder

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 Posted 10/01/2014  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Went over my head too..good catch.
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I have to give credit to David Poliquin - he posted it on the Fly-in Club forum.

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Maybe they were too distracted by the fact that it was clean to notice or look for signs that this is counterfeit.
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The seller probably has no idea it is counterfeit. He has several details grade coins up for sale.

I'm guessing NGC was too focused on the coin's "problems" than on its authenticity when they slabbed it.
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Seller ended it.
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Sorry, I thought it was too obvious.



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For someone who looks at IHCs all day, this is so glaringly obvious.


I do not look at IHCs ever hence my inquiry.

Moving on...

Contemporary counterfeit might not be out of the question. Superdave mentioned Transfer Dies the other day as what I assume was habit in the 19th century.

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Excellent detection work. I for one will never noticed, how many collector would of been fooled.
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Fooled me.
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Thanks for the visual aide Drsandman2, I never got around to looking up the difference.
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Drsandman2, I must say I am very impressed by your keen awareness. I'm sincerely glad to have you here pointing this out! THANKS!
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Excellent. It will be the same case with a GNL Class 2 China Market Counterfeit 8 Reales ... Sheffields are MUCH EASIER. Other than with XRF how do you detect a debased Ag 8R at 80% Ag at 26.5 grams ... yes the edge but who will look HARD ENOUGH?

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I would keep/get the coin just as a testament to NGC's screw-up.

Edit: Although, that may be illegal, wouldn't it?
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I'm guessing NGC bought it from the seller at FMV for a real one.
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