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Do You Recognise This Greek Coin, Please?

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This coin has a good reverse and a not so good obverse.

I am hoping that someone will recognise it and be able to start me on my way to attribute it.

It is AE15, and weighs in at 4.1 gm

Reverse


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 Posted 10/04/2014  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuy1530 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks Himerian to me. At least I have a coin with that same reverse that is from Himeria. Can't be too much help beyond that though.
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Chuy. Thanks for that. That gives me enough to go looking.

Thanks again
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I agree, it's a hemilitron from Himera. The six dots within a wreath and weight are enough to pin it to Himera. In theory, your obverse once showed the head of a nymph.
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You see TIF, you always knew that.

I didn't know it until Chuy pointed me in that direction.

Thank-you both. That gives me enough to write on my coin holder for future reference.
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Definitely a Hemilitron. Could be from Himera, but all examples I could find in a hurry have the head of the nymph looking left. And the char on the obverse of the coin here is looking right.

To ensure the attribution look for (traces of) "IME" on the obverse or go into a relevant catalogue like BMC.
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I can' tell if the obverse is facing left or right on your coin topcat. I can't really make out anything.

Here's the one in my collection if it helps:

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It's 3.44 grams.
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Quote:
I can' tell if the obverse is facing left or right


If you look closely at the top one of the obverse images, it looks upside down. One can recognise the dots at the rim (on the left as it is now)and the face seems to be in that direction.
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Ah, I do see it now. Thanks!
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Wow Chuy great Hemilitron.
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Chuy, TIF, if you are still there, anyone.

I think that the same should hold true for this next coin.

Please correct me if I am wrong but is this not another example of a Hemilitron from Himera, Sicily?
AE17, 3.3 gm



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Another wonderful example. If I am not mistaken off the cuff I believe the hemilitron is dated before the destruction by Carthage in 408 BC.
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Please correct me if I am wrong but is this not another example of a Hemilitron from Himera, Sicily?


That one definitely is, you can clearly see the "IM" (behind the head of the nymph) of the "IME" which is usually on the coins (if not off the flan).
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Thanks Ancientnoob. It's actually one of the first few coins I bought when I was first getting into it. It actually has a sort of olive tone to it that looks more black in that picture. And yes I believe these are from before the destruction by Carthage. Himera got it pretty bad when Carthage decided to involve itself in Sicily. They burned the whole thing down and only after a couple years allowed the people to move back to the land, provided they paid tribute and didn't build fortifications.

Funny how history would repeat itself in a way many years later, though Carthage wasn't on the winning side then...


edit: You can see several examples of this type at this link. They're all already sold. Every one with that reverse has the left facing head on the obverse though.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ca...os=11&sold=1

Also when I bought mine it was attributed as Calciati I. 43,35, but the guy I bought it from isn't always good about correct attributions so take it more as a starting point than an answer.
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on the 2nd obverse picture with the red colour in the northeast of
the coin as pictured. you could guess that there were rim dots/line representing
where the red is. also on that picture you could guess a feint image of
the nymph facing left when looking at what could remain of the top of
her hair in almost dead centre. that would put it non centred with the
dots in front of the nymph's face just off the coin.

HH
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H.H.

I had the same thoughts.

Thanks
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