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Old VAM, New VAM...not A VAM At All 1900-O?

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I'm comparing my 1900-O with those at VW and it appears to have a NEAR date so I started looking at other varieties with near dates to see if it matched any of those. It exhibits signs of being a 47A with what looks like a die crack from the N in UNITED all the way around to the F in OF. Now on my coin they do not seem as prominent as those in the plate image or closeups at VW, but I see it easily enough under magnification. The pattern seems a little different on mine in that the crack looks to connect at the lower part of the first S in STATES as it comes out of the wing vs the one at VW that connects at the top of the S after coming out of the wing.

Your opinions on this coin? Is it a 47A, or something else? Or does the die crack with the wing connecting to the S where it does make it a new variety of this VAM? Or is the mark at the S on my coin just PMD that I am misinterpreting and this coin is one that was early in the history of this die crack where it wasn't as evident and so some of the die crack seen in the VW image happened after this one was struck when the die crack worsened? Or is it not a VAM at all and I'm just seeing things again?

Thank you for your thoughts on this...here are the images:

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 Posted 10/05/2014  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die cracks are different, so 47A is out. That eliminates one of thirty different 1900-O VAMs characterized by a Near or Very Near date, not counting subvarieties. Twenty-nine to go. Welcome to VAMming.

Work with mint mark position and tilt (if any) to narrow the field. In addition, doubling around the date (if present) will help. The correct VAM coin images might not have all of the die cracks yours does - die cracks define subvarieties, not VAMs - but if any of the cracks are present, they have to be exact.
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The date position on your coin is not the same as 47. Yours may actually be considered normal position as it is just to the right of two denticals so do not rule out normal position as well as slanted. 1900-O can be tough to identify with the lack of full coin plates for many VAMs.

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Thanks I'll see what I can find. I did this MM grid image. Looks like it's set further right and tilted left. Am I reading it right?

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In this image I placed a yellow block from the bottom of the 1 to the top of the denticle represented by a blue line. I then copied this same yellow block and pasted it under each number and drew a blue line atop each denticle beneath each number. I think the slant is quite evident as by the time we reach the last zero we see it sits higher above the denticles than does the 1.

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