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1861 Seated Liberty Dollar

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 Posted 10/11/2014  6:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jman985 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a chance to buy this coin but I'm nervous and wanted some more opinions. Everything looks good except for the word "united". What would cause this? Is it real or fake?

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 Posted 10/11/2014  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks counterfeit to me. Do not buy it.
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Fake. The denticles around the edge are off.
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Fake. Personally I'd buy an example of this series slabbed.
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100% Chinese fake.
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 Posted 10/11/2014  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since no one else has said so, welcome.

Even with these somewhat blurry photos, nothing I see inspires confidence, and the "UNITED" does look screwy.

One step to take before buying something like this is to weigh it, which can immediately expose a fake.

Also, how it cme to your attention and who you have a chance to buy it from would be relevant.
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 Posted 10/11/2014  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jman985 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the responses. I figured it was fake.
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100% fake
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Somewhere around five to eight years ago a lot of chinese fakes, of varieous dates, from this reverse die hit the market. They were often sold at a high premium to the unknowledgeable because of the "major mint error".

If you look carefully at UNITED you will see that it is SEVERELY doubled. In a better picture it almost looks like UUNNIITTEEDD with about a 3/4 letters width separation between the letters. (The right side of the first you is overlapped by the left side of the second, and the right side of that you overlapes the left side of the first N and so on.)

No genuine US coin used that revere, but it appeared on EVERY year on the Chinese fakes (including some years they didn't make Seated dollars.) You see that doubled UNITED, you know you are looking at a Chinese fake.

I think they mush have had a hub with that doubling because I believe it also was seen with different mintmarks as well. These " DDR" Seated dollars were all over for a bout a year or so and then as the counterfeiters improved their product the discarded that hub and they gradually disappeared from the market. Eveny now and then one will appear as one of the victims tries to sell off their "investment".

They also had an obvious undated obv hub that they used to make all different dates of Seated dollars. It was instantly identifiable by a heavy, slightly curved, horizontal gash through the top right of the shield. That gash had been on the coin they used to create their hub from. After it became well known they went back and tried to retool the damaged area on the hub, ut the repair work was clumsy and obvious. Fakes from that hub were also around for a year or two. Every now and then you would see a fake that combined dies from both of those hubs. Gashed shield with a doubled UNITED.
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I have one of those.
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All I needed to see was the date.
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Seller is hiding the coin with poor images. Be afraid, very afraid.
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Welcome to the CCF ... Looks like you've already profited from participation, huh, Jman985?
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