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Picked Up An Uncleaned Hadrian Denarius

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I won what appears to be an uncleaned denarius of Hadrian on ebay UK today. It was listed as an unknown bronze coin, 18 mm. in diameter and weighing 3.0 grams, perfect size and weight for a denarius.

I was the only bidder and won the coin, including shipping, for just over $4.00.

Here are the auction photos.



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It looks to be an issue from 117 AD, the year Hadrian ascended to the throne, with reverse of Pietas standing left. From what I can tell the coin seems to be silver with decent details.

Here's an example of what I think it is from Wildwinds.

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/...RIC_0013.jpg

I'll post more photos when I receive the coin. If I'm wrong I'm only out $4.00 and still get to wait for the mail with excitement for a week.
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Looks very much like a fourree.

But if it comes out nicely it's still money well spent.
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Looks like a fouree to me also.
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I agree with medieval. Looks like a fouree. At $4 though sounds like a good deal.
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I have seen an ancient silver coin much worse than this, clean up rather well in weak acid. It takes the expertise of a museum specialist, with the willingness to risk the complete loss of the coin, to do this properly.

Unfortunately that may be the case here, because I have to agree, it looks like a plated fouree. If it is plated, treatment in acid will almost gaurantee the complete loss of the coin.

That is why it is a good buy at only $4.

Would I be tempted? Probably!, it's only a loss of four dollars, but with considerable upside.
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Quote:
I have seen an ancient silver coin much worse than this, clean up rather well in weak acid.


Ammonia works well on silver coins and does no damage; but it does leave them pretty shiny
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The dark patches on the bust tell me fouree as well.
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The coin arrived today. As I thought it is silver and an early Hadrian PIETAS denarius. I've got it soaking now and it's cleaning up nicely.

It's fairly worn, but all the details and legend are clear.

I'll post photos when it's all cleaned.
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good guess then! I'm curious how it will clean up
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The coin is done. It's not the best quality having seen a lot of circulation, but is clearly an early Hadrian struck in 117 AD.

The obverse is nice with a decent portrait of the young Hadrian. There are a couple of spots of encrustation on the reverse that I didn't try to remove.

Still, for $4.27 I'm not complaining.

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Nice job,
congrats on the result.
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What method did you use to clean it?
Some info on chemicals, dilution rates, and soak times would be of interest.

I had a hunch that the upside would be quite a bit more than the downside.
$4.27 worth of risk taken: paid off!
Lucky perhaps, but congrats!

There are always risks to be taken in the cleaning of ancient coins.
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Wow you got a good one! for 4.27 that's a screaming deal.
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Great job of finding a jem in the rough!

Well done.
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I clean ancient silver by soaking it in diluted lemon juice and using a brush with silver bristles. I also use a bamboo skewer to loosen any bigger spots. It's worked well for me through the years, but you have to be certain it's a silver coin and not a silvered bronze.
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Real silver bristles, or silver in appearance?
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