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Put simply, I wanted to share this evening's win with you all, in the hope that some will agree with me that this coin is very attractive and interesting!   POST-MONGOL IRAN Ilkhanid Uljaytu 714AH 6-Dirhams, type C, Sabzawar, 11.8g, 28mm (Diler 370; A 2187). Rare! I don't know so much about the Ilkhanids just yet, but have been reading some more, this evening, about the Mongol hoards. My God they were brutal!   Edited by Valecrucis
10/22/2014 8:32 pm
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Congrats - Very nice coin, most of the legend there and legible.
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Thanks Medieval! I am going to have to do some research to discover what the legend says..unless anyone here can help me out...?
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To give you a headstart, (nearly) all of the pre-modern muslim coins have the 'kalima' in one form or the other on it. In the case of your coin it is inside the rose-shape on the left image. Here for comparison in a similar script the relevant side of an anonymous dirhem from the Khwarezm Shahs:  Let me add that slightly different scripts are used on your coin, Kufic and a more modern variety. Edited by Medieval
10/22/2014 7:01 pm
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I see that there are six Kalimas, Medieval. I assume that the one to most commonly appear is the first, which I see is itself often referred to as 'the' Kalima, which is like the Shahada?
To my untrained eye the script in that section looks pretty different to the one on the coin you have posted, but I guess that is a difference of style? When a person like myself is quite unfamiliar with written Arabic it takes some getting used to when the styles of different eras are thrown into the mix as well...
Thanks for the introduction and first lead though!
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10/22/2014 7:06 pm
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If you have access to Mitchiner, he explains the legends quite well and writes them out in modern arabic.
In case you don't, remind me in a couple of weeks, then I will copy from the relevant page (pretty sure he will have yours or a very similar one in his catalogue) - haven't unpacked my copy yet and have first to finish my tax return, due by the 31 October here in Australia.
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Yes, I have Mitchiner's WOI. I haven't had a chance to get to it yet though...will take a look tomorrow morning. Please don't let me get between you and your tax returns. Must pay the masters! Thanks for the direction though Medieval. Much appreciated. Mostly I was just eager to share it here this evening. I think it's an interesting one!
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10/22/2014 7:31 pm
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Great coins and absolutely massive. When I see coins like this it really says something about the economic power of the region. I love how the calligraphy is nearly complete. A wonderful and interesting coin indeed. I have yet to acquire an Islamic coin of the 14th century, surely that has to change.
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Very interesting coins. I would love to know what the translation to English would be. It's nice to see all these different types of coins that we usually don't see many people collect.
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Khabushan mint. Dated AH 714 (AD 1314/5). Kalima; names of the Twelve Imams in margin / Name and titles of Ã-ljeytü; mint and date in outer margin.
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Thanks SO much Ancientnoob! That's brilliant. So which part of the script in the outer margin specifically identifies it as Khabushan mint? And is that upon the left hand image or the right? I was almost blindly struggling to compare my coin to this one: http://db.stevealbum.com/php/lot_au...ang=1&cust=0 I couldn't spot any differences, so assumed it could be the same mint. Edited by Valecrucis
10/22/2014 9:20 pm
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Brilliant no, resourceful yes. Look here at a pretty nice example. http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=139235 I don't have the text and I cant read Arabic/Persian. I am also unfamiliar with the type specifically but I certainly wouldn't mind having one. 14th century still fits into my collecting sphere. Edited by Ancientnoob
10/22/2014 9:22 pm
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Ah...so does that mean I still will have to pour through the lettering of both that one on CNG and the one at the link I just posted on Steve Album's site to see which one it corresponds to? Or have you already done part of that work for me and confirmed it to be identical to the CNG one?
I do love these coins. I am wondering whether I am up to teaching myself some basic Arabic to help me along...
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I see that there are six Kalimas Plus the Shiite versions which differ again a little but yes, the Shahada which is the shortest version is the one most frequently encountered, especially since it is more fitting for smaller coins. Quote:
the script in that section looks pretty different... difference of style? A short overview -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calligraphyWhile often displaying beautiful (personal opinion) calligraphy, reading/deciphering islamic coins can be a pain - specially when they are overstruck/double struck. And "go go go" to 'Ancientnoob' and 'echizento'  Postscript to: does that mean I still will have to pour through the lettering While the general type is confirmed, you will still have to verify the mint-name - since you have Mitchiner, it shouldn't be a problem. Edited by Medieval
10/22/2014 9:49 pm
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Your coin is the same coin different dies of the one pictured on CNG. There is a strange difference...your coin is sharply struck in different areas where the CNG example is flat, and vice versa and your orientation is correct, with that being said half way down on the obverse there is a small difference...  The double "X" marks donot appear on their coin, but it also appears that the photo has been edited to remove it, look close. hum weird. Any other opinions on the photo? |
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Thanks Medieval. Just want to say that, acknowledging that I am new to this group, I am genuinely happy to have found it. There are some decent and knowledgeable people here, so please know that I am very grateful to you all. I eagerly await the further replies in answer to Medieval's call!  And yes, Ancientnoob...I see what you mean about the two X's. Odd. Is it that the photo has been altered or maybe that faint appearance is on the coin....a clogged die? Edited by Valecrucis
10/22/2014 9:51 pm
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