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Constantius II Camp Gate (Recent Auction)

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 Posted 10/29/2014  09:09 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Something very interesting ?

Constantius-II-Camp-Gate-Recent-Auction

"Or something (sic) is rotten in Denmark" ?
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 Posted 10/29/2014  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkHybrid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
on the reverse, in the word virtus, why is the 't' worn
while the letters 'r' and 'u' is still very clear?

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 Posted 10/29/2014  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see two things which make me curious about this one.

One is on the Obv. and one on the Rv.
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 Posted 10/29/2014  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope. You got me.
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 Posted 10/29/2014  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice con, I also don't see any thing of special interest.
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Do the four 'turrets' look odd in any way ?

I may be reading more into this than I should but I still get the feeling that something is 'different' about this piece.
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 Posted 10/29/2014  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They do look like soldiers holding shields.
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I am only questioning this because we seem to have seen high quality fakes of Constantinian ae's of late. Some even going so far as to 'salt' them into group lots of otherwise good coins. The coin seems almost too good. It may only be my paranoia showing but the lettering reminds me of the fake Nero. Looking at some other Arles issues I do not see the forked crowns on the letters I V and N which I see here.

Later Constantine issues are not really my area. I could be completely wrong. I rather hope I am !
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 Posted 10/29/2014  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I said before: it concerns me, I'm careful with these late roman bronzes, too many fakes are being sold on ebay right now
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 Posted 10/29/2014  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Noooooo ....... really ?

The examples I looked at seemed to have block lettering. The letter I having a cap and a base.
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My response was not to your comment Dutch
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 Posted 10/29/2014  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
haha I know furius
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 Posted 10/29/2014  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Valecrucis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FVRIVS I think you have a point. It is not a problem I would have noticed myself, I have to be honest. But I have just been through several hundred camp gate LRBs online and a couple of dozen good grade LRBs of my own....not one showed those flow lines. Even saying that, I would not be certain it was an indication that it was fake. I also did a little search to see if anyone else was talking about the presence of flow lines on LRBs being a warning sign and could find nothing. There is nothing else about the coin that looks wrong to my eye. If it turns out to be a fake then very well spotted.

Btw. Hawkhybrid...one often sees one or more letters much flatter than the rest of the legend...or absent. This is due to a plugged die from a previous strike.
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What started me questioning this coin was the four turrets. Some think they look like soldiers ...... Personally I thought of a biker gang ! When I looked at some of the other Arles coins the letters started to look somewhat odd. When I noticed the "flow" lines I was reminded of my fake Nero. They look like they may be faux flow lines purposely made to decieve.
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 Posted 10/29/2014  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps I was less than clear on this point.
My use of quotation marks indicates my uncertainty that they are real flow lines and not 'enhanced' by the shape of the letters.
Nero displays some curiously shaped lettering although the 'forking' is at the bottom and thus cannot be confused with the outward expansion of the planchet during strike.

I cannot help but note a certain annoyance on your part. I have no dog in this. I did not purchase this coin nor did I even know its source until late last night.
You say you have seen many like it. I have no reason to doubt you.

For myself I remain unconvinced !
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Beast Coins has a very nice research site with a number of similar coins to which you can compare this one.

http://www.beastcoins.com/RomanImpe...es/Arles.htm
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