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 Posted 09/03/2007  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RKC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Carl, The Store will be in Irving, Texas so I am not sure a .50 Cal is necesary however if someone has a .30 cal machine Gun for sale I can reach both the front and back doors with that. As for a Safe you will not belive what I have. This Safe is dated 1879. It needs a little work but should be ready by the time the new store opens next month.
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 Posted 09/03/2007  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ElleKitty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RKC, I may just have to come and visit you. The DFW area is about a five hour drive for me, but we go up there at least once a year.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bkbroiler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll give you one other piece of advice. As a dealer, I'm sure you will be showing up at estate auctions, etc. to purchase inventory for your store.

I was at one such auction and wanted to bid on some Morgan's for my son. Nothing rare and only a couple out of the bunch that might be worth a slight premium because of condition but otherwise only worth the silver content.

This particular dealer who is notorious for doing this, decides he wants to run the auction up on me going above and beyond what I think he would pay as a dealer looking to resell them at any large profit. I won the lot anyway and he proceeds to walk up to me and hand me his business card with location and asks me to drop in sometime. I told him he could keep the card since it was apparent he was running the auction up on me and his little bit of run-up potentially just cost him thousands of dollars in future business.

A better approach would have been to leave the auction alone, walk up to me afterwards and say something to the effect of me being a coin collector and that he has a shop and should stop by sometime. Chances are I would have but not based on his poor decision that day.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RKC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a continuation of dealer wanta how do you like your coins? In vinal flips, 2x2s, expensive Air tites or will it depend on the quality and or price of the coin. Speaking of price, Do you want to see prices on everything, or secret little letter codes that tell the dealer what he paid or what to charge his friends, or no markings save the date denomination and maybe grade which you will not agree with anyway. Should I put out everything or make you ask?
Do you like revolving tray cases, one lever jewelry cases or big head to foot case 6 feet tall full of shelves. No I am not trying to please everybody. In the long run I am going to do it my way hoping that I can please a few and that no one goes away mad.~rkc
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 Posted 09/05/2007  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2X2s or Mylar flips.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RKC by now your getting tired of my advise but here is just one more suggestion. I noticed at most coin shows there are at least one of more dealers that have jewelery. Not much, but a little variety. I have seen similar situations at gun shows. I asked one coin dealer and was told that many men bring a wife, girl friend, etc. in hopes to get them involved in coins. If this doesn't work, they get bored and may start looking into available jewelery. He said he always sells a little bit there. I've noticed some coin dealers also carry magnifying glasses, small flashlights, batteries and even some have knives. Versatility.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RKC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just Carl, I never get tired of your opinions. I take in all suggestions and opinions consider them all then do as I please but if I am wrong I can't say I did not know. I will say that I did not hear much in the way of new or different from the way I am presently doing business but the confirmation that I probably on the right track or that I am not the only one that is full of it does make me feel better. Thanks everybody but don't quit now. What do you think about bid boards?~rkc
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 Posted 09/05/2007  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi RKC. I have been watching this post with much interest. I would say honesty is number one for a successful shop. Stability in your location and local advertising offering to purchase gold and silver as well as coins will help. Your walk in purchases(those wishing to sell off collections, usually from another family member) can build inventory rapidly. Keep your viewing areas open and neat. Leave a few inexpensive loupe's around for customers to use. Lots of coin magazines, price lists etc.

I would love to own a shop but any shot I had at doing it went out the window with high medical costs the last 4 years. Make sure to get your posts up and sell/advertise through here as well. Most people that come in with coins to sell really want to get rid of them. Your reputation for being fair can make or break you in most cases. The best of luck and keep us posted! Mike
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 Posted 09/06/2007  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
What do you think about bid boards?~


Greatest thing since sliced bread
Seriously, my local coin shop is three blocks from me and I am there every single Monday evening at the weekly bid board. Even if nothing interests me that week, I am still usually there just for a good conversation. I have met and conversed with alot of old timers, hooked up with a few vest pocket dealers, and gotten some great coin deals and unusual exonumia that would have been difficult to find otherwise.

Also, even though my local shop is the only coin shop in the city of St. Louis(others in the county area), the owner diversifies and does alot of bullion business. He buys/sells everything from sterling flatware to Eagles to Krugerrands to ingots to broken jewelry. He also has such items as antique guns(no ATF license required), jewelry, antiques(mainly 1904 World's Fair stuff- it's a St. Louis thing), some stamps, and a few vintage tabletop slot machines.
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 Posted 09/06/2007  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike and biokemist6 sort of said the same thing many others have said so you can tell that being nice to people and versatility is highlly important. One thing about buying so called collections from walkins. I really hope you can detect counterfeits. Prior to opening you should really acquire as much info on that subject. I've known a few dealers that got burned really bad purchasing collections that were spiked with fakes. What these people do is buy a fairly decent collection from a coin show or from anywhere. If any rare coins, those are removed and replaced with the fakes. When presented to a dealer as an old collection from an inheritance, the fakes blend in with the rest and can be overlooked especially in an Album. One dealer I know that was in buisness for well over 30 years got a 16D Merc fake that way.
Probably as already noted eventually carry Proof sets, Uncirc sets, some commemoratives, coin albums, extra pages for albums, those press on letters and numbers like Whitman advertises, 2x2's, coin books, coin magazines, possibly a few stamp items, magnifyers, close up glasses, some jewelery, some pens, pencils, note pads, those plastic rolls, plastic sheets for notebooks with slots for 2x2's, notebooks, good lighting, possible music in the background. You also may want to contact any coin clubs for flyers of their club and lay them out. At coin shows one of the most common things is to have several large 3 ringed binders with those plastic sheets that hold 20 2x2's and fill it with the lesser valuable coins so it could be put out on the counter. You may want to look into carrying a supply of those 1-1/2"x 1-1/2" size flips for any local dealers since at coin shows that is prevelant around here.
Again, be realy carefull of walk in purchases. Around here that is a great way to distribute fakes.
You should probably print all this stuff out, then use my suggestions for lighting a fire in your fire place or bar-b-que grill.
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 Posted 09/06/2007  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RKC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just carl, Got you covered. I would never buy a key coin or a very high priced coin unless it was certified or at face value. LOL. I have a small collection of counterfeits all marked as such and would never knowingly sell one unless I have a duplicate that someone else wants to use for identification and I would have to be sure of the buyer. I would hate to see it come back two weeks later.~rkc
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 Posted 09/07/2007  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chevrolet454ss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just Carl, Sorry I not braging about succuess with coins. To tell you truth I feel like an failure on it since I bought so much stuff and cant sell it seems, or I having severe problems trying finish my sets or stuff is wrong with them. The onley reason I make long post or whatever your saying was help coin dealer wanta be. I just want help those guys learn something from what I am doing or wanting to with buying large amounts of coin boxs from bank to search for them.

One other thing sorry all my post are hard read sometimes. I am still learning English all these years later. I was never talented in writing on an computer or anything like that. Stuff like that is easy for you but very hard me since I am still learning English and I onley type with one finger. I have lots problems even with little things the smart people like you do all each day.

RKC,

I was trying help you figure on geting lots inventory to sell in your new store. Trust me in state of Texas its takes lots permits and very expensive to own an retail store. I been there and done that since I owned an retail store in Houston Texas before. It was not coins but used cars. Its same thing in buying or selling anything. My advice to you is hire an accountant to help with all the paperwork each monlth. You need one where you can see if you making money or losing money. Its easy to overspend and not turn an profit I learned in retail before. Find ways to cut cost on your overhead if you can. Expensive overhead is why I shut down my car lot. I was turning an profit on stuff I sold but I was overspending on all overhead and was losing money becides making money. Before you open up. Shop around for cheaper rents and stuff.

Good luck you need all.
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 Posted 09/07/2007  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gatzdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I apologize for having not read every thread in this post before posting, but I will say this,

childhood memories go a very long way.

Make every child's visit memorable. They may not spend much now, but as they grow up, they will forever remember that shop where they learned everything and as they start to spend more on their collection, it's the shop they trust that they will goto first for the expensive purchases.

How do I know this, because I grew up as a child collector and that's they way I felt.
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 Posted 09/07/2007  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bkbroiler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This might sound a little corny and someone might have already mentioned it but maybe try to give change using $2 bills, $1 presidential quarters, Lewis and Clark nickels, Kennedy halves, State Quarters, etc.

When I was collecting stamps more than I do now, most of the dealers would always send my purchases using old postage stamps...nothing rare but it was a nice touch and a collectible right there on the envelope.
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 Posted 09/07/2007  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chevrolet454ss:
Never apologize for your English. You must know by now that is why here in America we do not speak English, we speak American. English is what they use in England and I can hardly understand them. And if you want to really see poor grammar and the use of our language, check out our college graduates. I have 2 degrees and can not spell worth a darn. Also, typing, HAH.
I'm sure RKC is more interested in helpful information than proper grammar or spelling.
Oh yeah, forgot, I'm old so really long post tend to get boring.

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09/07/2007 1:13 pm
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