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Any thoughts as to the cause?   |
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Pillar of the Community
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Most likely PMD. The rims nearby are more interesting, can you post full pics of obverse and reverse please? "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Ha, DBM said exactly what I was thinking. The date took a hit with something, but the rims look less conclusive at that angle.
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That is not PMD IMO. The rim is a Cud error so the date is probably a die crack or full on broken die. Look at the 3 it wasn't struck properly on the bottom half. |
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The digits are PMD, most likely coin rolling damage or else some well placed hit. I'm not sure about the rims but my feeling is that is not a Cud. |
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Right maple leaf has the same thing at the same radius as the date. Can we get a close up of that? Odd how the 3 has metal across the bottom loop.
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I would like to know if that bar in the 3 is straight through the field. If it is I can see no way for this to be PMD. Is there a gap in the metal under that bar? The damage follows a straight line which to me would say its a die break. @SlurExe97 Can you explain how you would get damage like that with coin roll? |
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The bar across the 3 looks firmly fixed to me, no gap.   |
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Then I can't see any way that this could be PMD. |
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This is not a die break. A die break will make raised lines and lumps, not some sunken missing metal. How is this not PMD? Coin Rolling Machine Damage. A lot of the threads here are about coins with circular damage with flattened and displaced metal. Do a search for it and you will see what I mean. |
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I know exactly what coin roll damage looks like and I am not seeing it here. The raised metal on the rim is very typical of a Cud error which is a die break at the rim of a coin. That bar through the 3 is according to OP straight though the field I can not see any way that coin roll could cause this damage. Its all about that 3 for me, how did that happen? Could it be a lamination error? |
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The 3 is NOT a die break. It is a well-placed hit of some sort, hard enough to displace the metal. A coin roller machine can do that, sometimes without scratching the fields at all. There are a lot of pics of the same kind of damage posted in the US section. Look at these threads: https://goccf.com/t/173630#1599846 Last picture. See how "trust" is smashed and the metal is now lying in a different than original place? https://goccf.com/t/148187&SearchTe...chine,damage Coin rolling damage but no damage to fields. There are many more examples in the US modern varieties section. Go search for " Rolling Machine Damage" and you will see. That is not a Cud. Look at the first pic again. The area under the rim of 9 is flattened, and the area under the 5 is bent. Well-placed hits. Either way, both are PMD. |
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So the coin rolling damage displaced the metal from the 3 then firmly affixed the metal back to the coin, I just can't see that happening.
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john517 - I really am not in the mood to for arguing now, I'm exhausted from studying late the whole week and I still have a bloody report to finish while fighting sleep for the past few hours. I'll just say this for now: I bet you didn't even check out my first link or looked at more examples if you still don't think this is coin rolling damage.
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Posted 11/04/2014 4:27 pm
