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A Few Days Ago I Received This 1859 1 Cent Coin, And ?

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 Posted 11/05/2014  12:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like you guys to tell me what I have here.
Is it worth to keep?
what grade is it?
what, if any, variety is it?
what would YOU pay for it?
PLEASE, please, if you can, try to give your reasons, even if they are just your reasons.

go for it guys..(and girls)
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 Posted 11/05/2014  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is a Late Form narrow 9. I think it's the Zoell variety R2b: recut 9 in date. I'll grade it a G-4 to G-6.

Coins of Canada puts a value of $2.50 for G-4 and $4.00 for VG-8 for Narrow 9.
Zoell (and this is a 1965 Zoell, can't find a more up-to-date one) puts the value of an R2b at $15 in Fine.

I would keep it, because I don't have any large cents. Not sure how much I would pay for it, but I wouldn't pay Zoell book price.
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 Posted 11/05/2014  02:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john517 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say it is at least VG-8, it has defined rims and clear legend and the details on the obverse are clear enough to make out hair lines, eyes and ears. The punch on the 9 is interesting but I can't say what variety it is. I think I can see maybe a crack in the planchet near DEI and it looks like you have a die crack at the R in Regina. 1859 is one of my absolute favorite coins virtually each one has its own character, you could collect this date alone for years and it would seem you collection is still incomplete.
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 Posted 11/05/2014  02:14 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would certainly like to own it. Sure looks like a nice example of an 1859 DP narrow 9 DP2 Griffin#017c (or a slight variation thereof) Probably $ 125-150 dollars in this grade of VG. Interesting 1859 variation.
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 Posted 11/05/2014  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oops! I'm not so good in grading yet.

Here's about the 9, it looks like a match to me.

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Prices in Fine, VF, EF, and UNC

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Artdio, in which book do you find griffin numbers?
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 Posted 11/05/2014  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haxby PC59-31a4 quite vauable
I don't have book with me but I think Charlton calls it DP9#5

http://www.vickycents.com/rev-e32c.html
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 Posted 11/05/2014  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is a Charlton #5.

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47P7..This is a giveaway whenever you see that high bar across the loop of the nine,..you are in the possession of a very tough variety.. 1859..DP #5..

Look at p.281 of the bible..Charlton's 2011 with many of the large cent varieties at the back..

An important,..and "Great Keeper"..

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 Posted 11/05/2014  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the OP knew all the answers to his questions when he posted except for value. How much did you pay 47P7?
Serious variety collectors never ever pay anything close to book value. It's all about the thrill of the hunt.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 11/05/2014  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DBM,you are right.
But as you noticed, others had no idea. And many more collectors still are not aware. I knew that, so I thought to start something interesting and posted it.
what did I pay?
I think it is fair to say that I paid what you would love to pay for it.
the coin was covered with the typical Vicky crud and the Variety was not visible.
yes, it took some warm water and some hawthorns to discover the actual treasure.
I am aware that it is a more pricy coin in nearly any grade.

Devlec,

I have that book. I also have a standby in case the 1st one gets worn out.

I would love to trade my coin for Zonads. he has a built in radar for finding scarce varieties.Nobody beats him.

Perhaps someone would like to start a "show your large Vicky Cent post?"
could be interesting.

Nybird, I have tried the Dr. Haxby numbers etc. But can not get acquainted with them.

SlureEx, how old is your book? For these prices, I would let you just hold the coin for 10 minutes. lolololololo
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 Posted 11/05/2014  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not my book, my library doesn't update their coin books (but thankfully they update their RCNA journals) and their newest Charlton is 1988. They got Zoell editions 1-3. I have a digital copy of 3rd edition part 1 (part 2 is too thick, I may get to it later but it's not going to be high res) and still scanning the 2nd. If anyone is interested I can try uploading it somewhere. I will get the first one later, maybe very later because the book is stored off-campus.
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 Posted 11/05/2014  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SlurEx,
please respect copyright laws
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E-mail me or call me and I will help you become familiar with
Dr. Haxby's site. It is awesome, and is actually user friendly.

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 Posted 11/05/2014  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Not sure how much I would pay for it, but I wouldn't pay Zoell book price.


My goodness,..that did put a smile on my face today...Thanks for that..!!

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I think its a solid
vg8
and very nice seeing
enjoy that penny
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 Posted 11/05/2014  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry guys, I keep forgetting not to share these stuff publicly. Still kinda used to a society where everyone can photocopy anything then use that photocopy for anything they like. Yes, even entire textbooks! First time, I was pretty confused why they would not print the ebook textbook here.

Devlec, I was a bit vague up there but meant I wouldn't pay that much if it was 1965 (when the catalogue was printed). If the prices stayed the same today, or didn't go up by too much, I would. Paying full book price is a last resort for me, I would only do that if I couldn't hunt it out. More fun.

Thanks doug. What is Dr. Haxby's site? If I have any problem using it I will send you an email.
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