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Jefferson First Spouse Gold Coin

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 Posted 09/03/2007  01:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have never speculated or invested in coins.

However, my wife and I did order two of the Jefferson Spouse Gold Coins. The idea, assuming our order is honored by the mint, would be to sell one for a profit in order to pay for the other -- or nearly pay for the other. The wife wants one in her collection.

Therefore, I'm curious about how the coins are doing on ebay, or in other sales areas.

Can anybody let us know if they are currently selling for a big premium, or not.

Thanks for any information.

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 Posted 09/03/2007  01:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They're not selling as well as the Washington and Adam spouse coins. Some of the completed auctions show so went for under $499(unc). With the proofs, it looks like it's going for $600+, but a good number have sold for $600 and under (BINs).
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 Posted 09/03/2007  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I predict these will sell really well in a few months. I think about the ASE anniversary sets, It took a good 3-4 months for those to appreciate in value, after they were sold out.

Gary, I would hang on to them for a few months before you decide to sell.
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 Posted 09/03/2007  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one auction for the pair that did a bit better ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...WA:IT&ih=018
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 Posted 09/03/2007  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think when the mint actually announces they are sold out the coins will see a jump in price. Now everyone is still biting their nails hoping they will be squirreled in

SeatedNut, the link you provided is for a proof version and a UNC version so it is for 2 coins not just one. Just thought I would let you know
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09/03/2007 11:37 am
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 Posted 09/04/2007  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hypothetical,

Say there are about 20,000 people who are interested in collecting these coins. When the first group went on sale they were offering both first spouses at the same time. This meant a much larger one tme outlay at the time of ordering. This may have lead some of the colectors to delay or only order one with the intention of ordering the other a little later because a very fast sell out was not expected. But many speculators ordered multiple pieces resulting in a 2 hr sell out. Now the shut out collectors have to compete against each other for the coins as they appear on the secondary market. This competition results in higher prices.

Now when the Jefferson first spouse goes on sale they only have to buy one coin, and with the reduced order limits speculators are much more limited on the number of coins they can control, so many more of the people who actually want to collect the coin are able to acquire it from the mint. This results in roughly the same numbers of cons appearing on the secondary market (because although ach speculator could cntrol fewer coins more speculators jumped in spurred on by the fast sell out of the first two coin.) This means ther are many fewer COLLECTORS chasing the coins on ebay now (Because many more got them from the mint. Plus quite a few of the people who chased after the MW and AA coins did so, not because the wanted to collect them, but because they sold out in two hours and they are speculating that they would therefor be desirable and increase in value in the future.) and they are not getting the prices people were expecting.

Something else that I find interesting is that everyone thinks the Jefferson first spouse ill be much more valuable than other firs spouse coins. Why? Yes it will probably have some extra demand because more people are going to build non-first spouse sets than first spouse sets. But how many MW are there? about 20K proof and 20K unc. How many AA? About 20K proof and 20K Unc. How many Jeffersn? About 20K Proof and 20K unc. How many DM will there be? Probably 20K prof and 20K unc. The Jefferson piece will be no less availabe than the others, and more than likely later in the first spouse series as interest declines I would not be surprised if we eventually start seeing mintages for some of the that make the Jefferson mintage look huge. Possibly even by the time we get to the last on the non-first spouse coins.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bkbroiler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The thing I like about ebay is it is a particularly good mechanism to find what true FMV of an item is especially when multiple similar items are up for sale.

Just looking at recently ended First Spouse coins, it appears that the Washington and Adams coins are generally selling in the $450-$500 range. The Jefferson coins are selling in the $550-$700 range right now which means that demand for the Jefferson coin is higher than that of the Washington and Adams coin currently.

Prices will always be driven by supply and demand. As you stated, there is a general belief that demand will be higher for the Jefferson coin than for the Washington or Adams because of the Liberty head design. Also, just because the mintages are equal doesn't mean that all coins are going to be equally available. Some collectors and/or speculators may be willing to part with one coin and not another for one reason or another and the price at which someone will be willing to part with that coin will be determined by the law of supply and demand.

My personal opinion is that the limited ability to purchase (one per household) along with the equally fast sellout of 2 hours might actually cause this coin to be worth more. There is a greater chance that more will get into the hands of collectors vs. speculators looking for a quick resell but I still think quite a few people still missed the boat. There are also those that like to have more than one set (maybe for trading/to pass along to more than one child or grandchild), etc. so the only option (short of having a few homes or having a relative or someone you know purchase for you) is to go on the open market and buy them.

Just my opinion but I do think the Jefferson coin will be the most valuable of the set unless coin productions decrease. I can see the Jackie Kennedy coin to be very popular and all politics aside if Hillary wins the White House, it will be amusing to see Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton both on a presidential coin and a First Spouse coin and probably highly sought after.
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 Posted 09/05/2007  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thomas_z71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i missed out on these :(, but I would think since dealers and such could only order 1 instead of 5, I think more collectors got their hands on them, which means the premium may be high now, but I don't think it will hold on like some think. I just can't believe I missed out, I had planned on it for months, but I never wrote down the date :( Already forgetting stuff and only 26 :(
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quote:
it will be amusing to see Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton both on a presidential coin and a First Spouse coin and probably highly sought after.

Amusing maybe, but almost certainly something that will never happen. First she has to winn, and then both of them have to die relatively soon and they are rather young for that.
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 Posted 09/07/2007  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bkbroiler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point. It never occurred to me that the president had to be dead before showing up on the coin. Interesting that they are leaving a place holder for Jimmy Carter.

I wonder what will happen if he is still alive in the year 2016? Jump from Ford to Reagan?
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It would jump to from Ford to Reagan. If Jimmy Carter passed away in less than two years before the end of the series, he would still be excluded.
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 Posted 09/08/2007  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish the mint would consider the Presidential dollar as a continuing collection, and add new Presidents as they become eligible through the years.
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