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Finally An 8 Reales!

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 Posted 11/08/2014  9:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
At the Edmonton Coin Show today I got my first 8 reales coin of any kind! Always they're either expensive or crappy, but finally I found one that was uncleaned without being overpriced. It was $25, is that good?
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 Posted 11/08/2014  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, sounds like a really good price. Especially for an early date. I'd grade VF with a few edge chips (Not that they detract from the coin very much).
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 Posted 11/08/2014  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uncleaned yes, but it looks like being ex-jewelry though.
Anyhow for double the melt value it's still a good deal.
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 Posted 11/09/2014  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great price, but with all the scratches in the fields you can consider it worse than cleaned.

Still I do see any signs of it being used as jewellery. I think this is just a crude strike.
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I'm thinking that this specimen may have been through a fire at some point, it just has that look to it. The "chips" and other deformation at the top edge could be due to a little melting. Earlier date, which is good, although a common issue for that year. Would probably grade VG details, but it has character. Worth the $25 you paid with no problem, especially if that was in Canadian dollars. I'd have picked it up at that price regardless of its defects.
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 Posted 11/10/2014  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just some planchet defects that are common for these coins and this time period. Also the typical weakness in striking around the central portions of the design. I'd agree VF (details).
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In looking at it again, I'd say (based on the amount of detail left in the eagle's wings) that it might eke out an F grade, but I can't see it getting up into the VF range, that'd be a stretch. I agree it could be simply a flawed flan, but the raised area over the "LI" on the reverse is what raised my suspicion of its having been exposed to extreme heat. I'd like to see the edge in that disturbed area; if its indistict there it could be evidence supporting my theory.
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Could use an acetone bath. Slightly damaged rim and some scratches but otherwise a nice coin. I disagree about it being in a fire or used as jewelry.
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No, the edge is well-defined and distinct all round; however above the I in REPUBLICA there's a little crack that passes right through.
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I think you have a nice genuine 8 reales there.

I do not believe the coin is seriously damaged in any way and I certainly see no cause at this point to even suspect it has been mounted.

The "chipping" along the upper rim Cap side and the lower rim eagle side is actually caused by the way the planchet was made. It is very common on Zacatecas coins of this period. The blank was likely made on a worn punch so that it has fins of metal attached to the blank. These were not removed in the adjustment step (likely so the planchet would not have to be rejected) and the edging process rolled the fins over the face. The final strike drove the fins into the face of the coin.

At times parts of these fins will loosen and fall away but it is clearly not really serious damage when the nature of the cause is taken into account.

It will never be a high grade investor coin. Be thankful for that. As soon as coins in this grade become high priced the average guy is priced out of the market. That is bad for the hobby.

The price of $25 is great in my opinion. Much better than spending $100s on a counterfeit in a TPG holder.

I congratulate you.

For me the scratches give the coin character and show it was really used. To me they do not detract from the beauty of the coin at all. As a lifelong collector of counterfeit coins, I have never cared for pristine coins straight from the mint that were never used. They are antiseptic and cold looking - honest wear gives a coin life and warmth.

Of course my opinion is based on my view that ultimately the high grade high value collector's bubble will burst. The people who paid thousands of dollars for common coins in high grades will lose far more than you are risking.

This statement of course presumes you are not someone trying to make a big profit off every coin you buy. I am a collector not a seller. These coins are my babies and I do not like to part with them. They are history you can touch.

The clamor over MS this or that is (in my own opinion) totally stupid and has been generated by the big money dealers and non-collecting investors who have no real interest in the coins beyond the profit they can make. I know many guys like this - they buy coins to throw them into a safe deposit box. They never study them, never study how they were made or how the subtle clues on the surface tell a story. Those people may have a lot of money but they are missing the pleasure of collecting - the joy of learning.
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 Posted 11/19/2014  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RealPeso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice piece of 8!
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