Napoleon 5 Francs 1813 Real Of Fake?

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canary01 Valued Member Netherlands 202 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 07:01 am Hello, Can someone help me with this coin? It looks like an original coin to me (also because of the edge inscription) but the weight concerns me, it weighs only 22,2 grams instead of 25. What do you think of this coin? Thanks in advance! Report this Post to the Staff

Medieval Pillar of the Community 3772 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 07:11 am Sorry to say so, but it looks fake to me. Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2872 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 07:26 am Unquestionably a fake. Interesting that Napoleon looks like he should have a nose ring. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
Tom Goodheart Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 856 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 07:40 am A fake it may be, but it doesn't look modern to me. So I'd suggest it could be contemporary (ie from around 1813) made to pass as a real coin. Probably the silver is plated on a base metal (brass or copper) core. And while it's crude and might not have passed inspection in Paris, in one of the French colonies .. who knows? An interesting item and well worth a bit more research! Edited by Tom Goodheart 11/09/2014 07:43 am Report this Post to the Staff
coinworldtv Pillar of the Community Austria 566 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 09:23 am FAKE+ Report this Post to the Staff
Matteproof Pillar of the Community Korea, Republic Of 1881 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 09:59 am Fake, fake, fake. Can't comment on contemporary/modern. Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3343 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 5:19 pm Modern fake. The Brenet inscription at the base of the bust is a complete fantasy. The metal looks like Spanish colonial fakes I've passed on. Old coins discolor but not the way this one has. Contemporary French counterfeits I own from this period have worn through plating, with either lead or brassy color underneath. Look at some examples of faux coins at cgb.com. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 7:44 pm The coin is clearly bad. No issue there. It also was NOT made to circulate alongside originals because it clearly appears to be electroplated. That technology dates it to a time AFTER this coin ceased to circulate. It is therefore a numismatic forgery made at some point AFTER the coin became a collectable. The die making technique is rather early (for a numismatic forgery) and terribly crude. It is therefore of some interest to a specialist. This coin sits in the grey area somewhere between a rare contemporary counterfeit and a modern hunk of junk from China. Personally I would value it at between $25 and $50 just to be able to study it. Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3343 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 8:06 pm French contemporary counterfeits are highly valued. Here's a well-done tin example: http://www.cgb.fr/faux-de-5-francs-...60784,a.html It looks a little like yours but it is from an obscure mint. And it's much better done. The cruddy look comes from loss of plating, which shows the underlying grey metal. It probably looked perfect when it entered circulation. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Edited by thq 11/09/2014 8:11 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Pacificoin Pillar of the Community Canada 5394 Posts	Posted 11/09/2014 8:17 pm modern Chinese counterfeit. Report this Post to the Staff
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