Philippines Coin? Need Help Identifying

They are very nice examples, these are extremely crude and poorly struck issues. The top one actually appears to be about UNC. They are also known for many varieties and retrograde design elements, including letters, numbers and even the lion on the obverse. Both appear to be perfectly genuine examples.

In the condition these are they are rather scarce and well sought after.

Thank you for the information. I have come across this interesting bit of information from papercoinage:

Notes on Octavos and Quartos

Octavos and Quartos minted from 1771 through 1835 include many die varieties, most of them too minor to have been noted in detail by numismatists. No official mint was in operation in Manila at this time. Manufacture of these subsidiary coins was assigned to private Chinese contractors with little technical background and, it would appear, even less knowledge of western alphabets. Their coins were so crudely struck that to a casual observer they almost appear to be counterfeits. Errors, such as inverted letters, abound.
Many of the quartos were struck so weakly that the dates do not appear. The wear from subsequent circulation, of course, helped contribute to this defect, but Gilbert Perez has described the discovery of a hoard of some 80 pieces of the 1828-1830 type. All the coins were in mint condition with full luster, but most of them lacked dates.