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 Posted 11/23/2014  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SsDave.....I respect your opinion, but I would like to know your explanation of what causes these parallel lines.
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 Posted 11/23/2014  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A rookie question on trying to grade this coin from pictures supplied. I am wondering how someone is to determine if scratches that show on a picture are not scratches. If I was to grade this 48 50c piece, I would have to assume (yes,I know what it means) that they are there. It is the same the other way around, by changing the lighting,
scratches that do not show on the picture, I would have to grade the coin scratch free. Unless you have the coin in hand, I don't see how you can be 100% sure of it's condition. I'm not taking sides with anyone, but just wondering the best way to determine this. This debate has come up more than once and can be confusing to someone fairly new to the site.
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 Posted 11/23/2014  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JimmyD...yes, I agree that you cannot be 100% sure when grading from a picture.

I have said this many times before.

I'm assuming how the coin is 'in hand' is how the coin appears in the picture, then I believe the coin is cleaned.
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 Posted 11/23/2014  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add polarbear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys for your feedback. I'll try to take better pictures and post it here. Disappointed if it's actually cleaned, it looks nice in hand.
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 Posted 11/23/2014  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are these photos or scans? They looked like scans to me.
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 Posted 11/23/2014  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes, you can see parallel hairlines on one section of one face of this coin. That proves nothing. In fact, my gut tells me this coin hasn't been cleaned.
Because hairlines perpendicular to the light source are going to get more definition, it's easy for any higher grade circulated silver coin to look wiped under certain lighting. But once you turn the coin under a light source, you may get a different impression entirely. I usually hold off declaring a coin whizzed/polished unless there's a lot of glaring evidence...

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 Posted 11/23/2014  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Super Dave, I/we know YOU are an expert in Photography and your opinion and experience carries tons of weight.. I am not looking for support,(but it is much appreciated) just fairness to any poster, especially a new member. Polarbear.

DVCollector, dead on also, thank you

Polarbear, please let this little speed-bump of hasty "opinions" not discourage you. Usually we are all good guys trying our best to help.
perhaps you have a scanner and use it to scan the coin. Make sure you scan at least 1200 DPI in the final scan. And also use photos. Post them again.
Ask Superdave in the Photo-forum to help you . I am sure he does not mind.
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 Posted 11/23/2014  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vancouver IslandCoinKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow this has gotten a lot of attention... 47p7 good points and all, although it is not conclusive and a well bearing point in which that it is cleaned or not, the coin does look cleaned, it could be cleaned or it could be the camera.

How bout we tell the new member welcome and hope he or she is doing well, tell them what a cleaned coin looks like, yes it Has EF traits. let their eye see if it is cleaned and if it is the camera.

Have a great day to you all.

Here is a link of a picture of some cleaned coins:http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j...CAcQjRw&url=http://coinmart.ca/product/1883h-25-cent-ICCS-graded-vf-20-bent-harshly-cleaned-canadian-coin/&ei=a2ByVK37G4G1oQT2noG4DA&bvm=bv.80185997,d.cGU&psig=AFQjCNE0GXfJBcf5AZ5Fb605IL_S6jVxjQ&ust=1416868322146218
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 Posted 11/23/2014  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add polarbear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took few more pictures, I really appreciate everybody's input, hopefully it'll save me from costly mistake.

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 Posted 11/23/2014  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Polarbear, these pictures do not work well.
sign up with Photobucket.com. you can upload your pictures and then post them here. Many members use that.
and, please take your pictures directly and straight from the top.
what kind of camera are you using?
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 Posted 11/23/2014  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK...maybe it's not 'harshly' cleaned as I said earlier, but it's still cleaned in my opinion.

At the very best, if it's not cleaned, it's heavily rubbed or it's been heavily knocked around.
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