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1976 Nickel Dollar With Very Bad Bagmarks. Details Or Not?

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The reverse is not so bad, but when you turn it over...

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1976-Nickel-Dollar-With-Very-Bad-Bagmarks.-Details-Or-Not?

The marks concentrated on the obverse makes it look rather intentional instead of random bagmarking. What do you think?

If anyone is looking at the obverse rim and is thinking this might be a PL I don't think it is, since it doesn't hurt when I run my finger across the edge of the rim. Also, the reeds don't go all the way through the thickness.

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hey, yes I think it is after the fact of a bag marked cause, I believe that it is someone jabbing a metal object into it.

Through my experience, this is not an error.
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Of course not an error. To me it looks like someone whacked this repeatedly with the edge of another coin instead of being "normal" bagmarks due to the Reed Marks being all on one side, while the other side looks quite normal. I was wondering if it will give it a details.
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Is this a hypothetical question? The coin is worth like $4 in MS63.
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explain what you mean when you say hypothetical question, and what is your point as the MS-63 is $4? I believe they run for about $8!
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Try putting 10 nickel dollars in bag - and shaking it... now imagine a canvas bag containing 1000 nickel dollars, being shipped out of the mint...

The one to look for from 1976 is the attached jewel variety.
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But only on one side?

On the attached jewel it is the jewel on the top to look at, is that right?
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@VICK, I asked if it was a hypothetical question because I can't understand why someone would care whether a $4-8 coin even in the better of conditions would get a "details" grade. It seems pointless to have it graded at all. Maybe my lack of variety knowledge/value causes me to misunderstand the question.
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I think in many cases the value of such coin in question is NOT what is important... it's the question and what's going on with the coin..

Would this question be more relavant if the coin was worth $200?

Learning has to start somewhere.. and usually it starts with coins that are readily available.. and one would work up from that point...

Now my own answer to this question.. I don't think it would get a "details" grade... if something like this were to be graded I think it would be graded with the marks taken into account. Of course I suppose it would also depend on WHO you send it to....
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Looks like it has been in the teeth of a pair of vice grips or pliers.
More than just bag marks (obverse side).
From the second photo down, look at the cheek and neck area.
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I hope I didn't offend anyone. I was perplexed by the nature of the question, and assumed it meant something like "I'm thinking of having a TPG grade this, will it get a details grade".
"Would this question be more relevant if the coin was worth $200?" - in my opinion, yes. You're weighing the cost of grading against the actual value of the coin. I might spend $15 at ANACS on this coin if there was a possibility it would be worth $200, but I wouldn't even bother thinking about it if the coin is worth $8 in a best-case scenario.

My opinion is that it would get a "damage" grade. "Damage - Coins exhibiting unusual damage such as re-engraving of detail, initials scratched onto the coin, solder on the rim, or heavy and/or numerous cuts, digs or scratches." My first thought was that it was in some kind of vice, or possibly vice grips / pliers, with something on the other side, like they were using the coin to hold another object.
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kbbpll: I don't think you offended anyone... you point and how you approached the question at hand is completely valid.

Slur. is a YN... with a lot of good contributions and great insight to this forum. It gives me pleasure to know that there are such brilliant young minds out there with a thirst for knowledge. (That background information one would only get if they were frequent readers of the canadian coin threads of which Slur contributes to.)

In my opinion it was trying to figure out what has happened to the coin and what the overall effect would be on the grade.

Your point is very valid... one really wouldn't discuss getting at best an $8 coin graded in most instances...when the cost for grading far outweighs the value of the coin.
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Ag got it, I was what something like this will do to the grade.

The shape of the gouges matches the reeds on the coin's edge, but no such gouges can be seen on the reverse (even though it is baggy).

I will call it "damaged". Thanks for the terminology kbbpll, I don't think I've seen it before. Maybe because I barely see slabbed coins. Most if not all of my coins aren't worth slabbing, since they're just common circulated stuff.
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