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Valued Member
United States
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Need opinion on this probable counterfeit. My Calico shows the coin but the assayer is supposed to be M The photo in Calico shows an R like mine below the aquaduct. Weight is low at 25.9 grams and diameter is 40.1 mm. Any comments? Thanks, Mike   |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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HMMM ... let me know when you post to ebay ... I will bid. JPL |
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Norway
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I don't think it's contemporary, the digits don't look 17th century'ish at all.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It does look later ... but its not Chinese.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have seen that coin before - it is a VERY recently made copy that has been worn artificially to make it appear old. I put an example of a Charles III numismatic forgery as made (MS) and artificially worn to try to illustrate how easily this can be done.
The coin here has all the earmarks of a modern product from the fonts to the design elements - it is far to regular - too uniform in design to date back further than 1960. Look at the line thicknesses on the shield as a simple example. The sides of all lines are straight and spacings uniform. The width of line segments are the same. The joins in the lines are CLEAN. The castles are stylized. The lions in some cases look like poodles. The curves in the crown are also remarkably good for any coin made without hubs.
In reality this coin is much more recent than 1950. I will have to check but I believe the coin is still in production.
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Valued Member
Norway
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I remember reading about a Spanish "escuela de grabado" or coin engraving school (19th century if I'm not mistaken). I wonder if that could explain not only the 19th century style of "1682" but also wear and patina. Do you happen to know more about it, MathieuMa?
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Pillar of the Community
France
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diatonix : like that one ?   I've eared many times about those engraving school coins ... they were made for training, but don't have the value some give to those (unlike designs which were not adopted for circulation). They are not that old actually, from what I understood. I should ask Glenn Murray about those (from the Friends of the Segovia mint association) This coin doesn't look like one - and it was aged on purpose, as swamperbob noted (I should have taken more time to think, indeed :D ) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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MathieuMa The coin you posted is far more believable as an "older" coin than the first.
Most of the "engraving schools" I am aware of are/were training grounds for forgers like the Romanian school that makes ancient coins.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I just like the cartoonist type features ... regardless of the time period.
JPL
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Pillar of the Community
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Here is my Segovia 1682 8 real. I believe that it is genuine -   Bill |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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BillSnyder It certainly looks a whole lot better.
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Considering how those coins were struck using rolling dies, they should not be flat (but a bit concave).
That's a nice additional thing to check on those :)
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thanks for the picture of a real one Bill. And thanks to everyone for the comments.
Mike
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